Ha. "Blood borne Pac men?"
>From what I hear, they are actually working on it, for good and for bad. JOH -----Original Message----- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 6:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux Ya got me. I don't have a clue. Blood borne Pac men? Ode At 03:44 PM 6/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: >HI Ode, > >I guess my assumption that silver would stay in place was very wrong. > >I wonder how it is transported and process into an excretable form? >Blood>Liver>bile? > >JOH > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] >Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:00 AM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: RE: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS >Redux > > > >" Dogs excreted approximately 90% of an inhaled dose of metallic silver >particles in the feces within 30 days of exposure." {Phalen and Morrow >1973} > > The only way those metallic silver particles could have been >excreted via feces from the lungs of the dogs is to pass through the blood stream. > No mention made of particle size...probably finely ground dust. > >Ode > > >At 11:03 AM 6/19/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >Hi Marshall, > > > >I agree. The organs were loaded. I don't think the report spoke of > >vascular occlusion tho, but I have only read a synopsis. > > > >A silver colloid will be excreted too, according to our friend and > >former list participant Roger Altman's study [with a population of > >one, himself]. Metallic silver will probably not be excreted. > > > >When you calculate the amount of water you would have to drink to get > >a dose of 3.8 grams, with 10 ppm sol, the water will be toxic before > >the silver. > > > >Should the need arise I would not hesitate to self-administer via IV > >the silver that I make. How much bacteria can fall in during the > >brief time that I pour the DW or before I put the lid on the > >generator? Not >enough to > >Herx. And there will certainly be no live ones there. > > > >Got 4 million? Then you can prove that CS is not pyrogenic and get > >it FDA approved. > > > > > >JOH > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] > >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:31 AM > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > >Redux > > > > > > > >I don't see how injecting fine metal power of any kind has any > >relation to the amount of that metal being toxic. I would think that > >metal power would very effectively block up the blood vessels, and > >once you block the vessels to the brain or heart death would > >certainly follow. Toxcitiy could be totally different for a colloid, > >or compound. > > > >Marshall > > > >James Holmes wrote: > > > > > Please note folk, 3.8 g. Is the TOXIC dose, NOT the lethal dose. > > > Dogs (don't remember the weight) were killed with 1 gram of fine > > > metal powder injected. Not intentionally; they were trying to > > > create a blood problem to study. It is in John Hill's book. Who > > > would ever want to get anywhere that, and how could you do it even > > > if 10 times the required dose was administered? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:19 PM > > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for > > > SARS Redux > > > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > > > As I said earlier....am I missing something. Thanks for pointing > > > out the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a > > > designer and not a physician. Although if it was an animal I > > > owned, I'd probably try it since the critter would probably be a > > > goner if something wasn't tried. Too bad they don't have any > > > animals with SARS to try it on. That would produce some definitive > > > results just as trying it on a human would. > > > > > > The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled > > > water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It > > > would be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? > > > Or is it that a small amount of water is too much for the body to > > > assimilate? I don't think so since it is used in injections all > > > the time. > > > > > > What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled > > > water? > > > > > > Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for > > > using it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 > > > grams. I'm talking about using tenths or hundredths of > > > milligrams, not grams. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Trem > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jason Eaton" <ey...@cox.net> > > > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for > > > SARS Redux > > > > > > > Trem: > > > > > > > > There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: > > > > > > > > 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause > > > > shock leading > > > to > > > > death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily > > > > cause death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough > > > > that a sol be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any > > > > substances that may induce a immune response. > > > > > > > > 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. > > > > If an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can > > > > certainly be understandable. > > > > > > > > 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute > > > > criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper > > > > justification could easily do federal time. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Trem" <t...@silvergen.com> > > > > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM > > > > Subject: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > > > > Redux > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Catherine, > > > > > > > > > > I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If > > > > > deionized > > > > or > > > > > distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, > > > > > why is it > > > not > > > > a > > > > > no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial > > > > > protocol? > > > > It > > > > > seems that it would be immediately known to the casual > > > > > observer if the patient was getting any better since silver > > > > > works so quickly. It also > > > > seems > > > > > to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost > > > > > immediately > > > > which > > > > > would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard > > > > > CS which > > > is > > > > > normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being > > > > > colloids, it > > > > would > > > > > cover the bases of which is effective since both would be > > > > > circulating in > > > > the > > > > > system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to > > > > > see a > > > > decrease > > > > > in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. > > > > > > > > > > Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his > > > > > process seems > > > to > > > > > produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to > > > > > think it > > > does. > > > > > An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any > > > > > different than > > > an > > > > > ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the > > > > > ratio of > > > > ions > > > > > to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is > > > > > made using a > > > > good > > > > > process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the > > > > > colloids are > > > > within > > > > > the small range of being colorless. > > > > > > > > > > As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 > > > > > atoms in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it > > > > > wouldn't take too much > > > > in > > > > > an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. > > > > > > > > > > And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do > > > > > any > > > damage > > > > so > > > > > why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as > > > > > I said earlier, is there something I missed. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Trem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I became involved with this group and actually had the > > > > > > opportunity > > > to > > > > > > present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, > > > > > > my > > > thoughts > > > > > were > > > > > > running along the lines of nebulizing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult > > > > > > because most > > > > > patients > > > > > > are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical > > > > > > about the > > > > latter > > > > > > because I can't produce enough material that speaks of > > > > > > efficacy with > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of > > > > > > colloidal > > > silver. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > > > > > > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
