Arnold Beland wrote: > Frank, in the ITOP experiments, did > you measure the Coulombs into the cell versus the Coulombs out?
No. We were not measuring Coulombs. We were measuring peak power in tens of kilowatts and average power in hundreds of watts along with pulse width in ns/us, pulse repetition rates, peak pulse voltage in kilovolts. From the raw data one could determine Coulombs, but we did not bother to do so. frank key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnold Beland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: CS> H2O2, ag(+), NaCl > Hey Guys, if we could just drain a bit of testosterone from our > frontal lobes for a while, we might just learn something significant > about the process of producing CS. The point was, "how do positive > silver ions become particles"? Frank, in the ITOP experiments, did > you measure the Coulombs into the cell versus the Coulombs out? > Best Regards, > Arnold Beland > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Key" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: CS> H2O2, ag(+), NaCl > > > > Mike Monett wrote: > > > > > > > Frank stated the reason the mist forms is due to the > electrons > > > flowing through the solution combining with the silver ions. > > > > I never made such a statement. Those are your words, not mine. > > > > > Unfortunately, free electrons cannot exist in an > electrolyte. A > > > simple check in any chemistry text or encyclopedia shows this > to be > > > > I never made any statement concerning "free electrons" in an > electrolyte. > > Again, those are your words, not mine. > > > > It would seem that you are making up concepts, attributing them to > me, and > > then arguing against them. > > > > I do take exception to having my words twisted into unrecognizable > and > > inaccurate statements and then being attributed to me. > > > > It is clear to me that no useful purpose is being served by further > > exchange. > > > > > > frank key > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Monett" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:25 AM > > Subject: Re: CS> H2O2, ag(+), NaCl > > > > > > > url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60983.html > > > Re: CS> H2O2, ag(+), NaCl > > > From: colloidal.silver > > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:24:34 > > > > > > > Hello Mike Monett... > > > > > > > I think you are sincerely working to further C.S. > knowledge... > > > > However, I have seen you repeatedly criticize very > knowledgeable > > > > people on this list (out of context)... I suggest that you > post > > > > your degree/degree's, the university / universities they came > from > > > > & , and any relevant experience in exact detail... Then > allow us > > > > poor stupid idiots out here the chance to verify your > claims to > > > > expertise... etc... Frank Key most certainly knows more about > C.S. > > > > than you & so dose Trem at Silvergen... > > > > > > > It's time for the competitive & and sales oriented verbal > abuse to > > > > end... This is a democratic and egalitarian forum, not a > character > > > > assignation training ground, for would be c.e.o.'s of > advertising > > > > firms... > > > > > > > Myself, I have 5 years cumulative of college , am a > trained > > > > (10-yrs.)Telecommunication tech., (3yrs.)Quality control > Tech., 6 > > > > years in the service as a microwave systems tech. etc... Am > I a > > > > PHD. in physics like Dr. Robert Beck, who you acused of > being a > > > > snake oil salesman on this forum...No... And I will never > pretend > > > > to be... However, no background is certification for the crap > you > > > > keep launching at people here, in such an obviously > derogatory > > > > fashion... If you keep this up Mike I am going to put forth > the > > > > request that you be perminently banned from this list > for > > > > repeatedly using verbal abuse tactics. > > > > > > > Learn Some manners, > > > > Alexander J. Federowicz > > > > Providence, Rhode Island > > > > > > Alexander, > > > > > > I'm sorry you feel that providing evidence that > disproves a > > > statement is such a terrible offense. But I'm sure Frank > appreciates > > > your support. > > > > > > I do not understand your reference to sale-oriented literature. > As I > > > have stated before, I have no intention of producing > colloidal > > > silver commercially. There are too many companies doing > this > > > already, and one more would only be lost in the noise. I have > other > > > interests that are far more compelling. But I am very > interested in > > > finding out how the process of making cs works. > > > > > > Frank stated the reason the mist forms is due to the > electrons > > > flowing through the solution combining with the silver ions. > > > > > > Now, it is true that electrons do flow in metals - that is how > your > > > lights work when you switch them on. Electrons also flow in a > vacuum > > > - that is how your display monitor works. > > > > > > Unfortunately, free electrons cannot exist in an > electrolyte. A > > > simple check in any chemistry text or encyclopedia shows this > to be > > > true. Here are two references: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Electrolyte > > > > > > Electrical conductor in which current is carried by ions rather > than > > > by free electrons (as in a metal). > > > > > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/e1/electroly.asp > > > > > > Oxidation-Reduction Equations > > > > > > An oxidizing agent (oxidant) is any substance can accept > electrons > > > (thus, itself reduced). A reducing agent (reductant) is a > substance > > > can donate electron (itself oxidized). Oxidation and > reduction > > > reactions must always coupled (free electron cannot > exist in > > > solution) > > > > > > http://web.njit.edu/~hsieh/ene560/General_CHem.html > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Having free electrons in an electrolyte would also violate > the > > > principle of electroneutrality, and it would be impossible to > write > > > balanced equations for a chemical process. > > > > > > And, if free electrons could exist in an electrolyte, how > could a > > > battery work? It would immediately self-discharge. > > > > > > Frank's statement about electrons causing misting does not fit > the > > > observed facts. When you start the cs process using 3 nines, > there > > > is no mist. The mist does not appear until the end of the > process, > > > when the concentration of silver and hydroxyl ions is > sufficient. > > > > > > If the mist was caused by free electrons, it would begin > immediately > > > at the anode where the silver ions are produced. Instead, it > starts > > > at the cathode, and only at the end of the process. > > > > > > Also, it is difficult to see how electrons could combine at > the > > > cathode to form a mist, then cross a great gulf between the > cathode > > > and anode without encountering any other silver ions, and then > form > > > another mist cloud around the anode. You can see this effect in > the > > > picture. > > > > > > http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg > > > > > > So Frank's statement cannot be true based on theoretical grounds > and > > > by simple observation. Can you explain the reason for > the > > > differences? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Mike Monett > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: [email protected] > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]> > > > > > >
