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From: "Ken & Nancy Bagwell" <kenancy2...@yahoo.com>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS
Hi Nenah,
Re the below...I noticed you never responded to Garnet
on this one. Although, I'm willing to hear you out.
http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75477.html
She wrote:
"Zeolite is not adequate to adsorb VOCs Nenah, it helps but without the
potassium iodide impregnated into the zeolite it will miss alot of
formaldehyde, ammonia and other VOCs"
I don't know if this is true or not. That's why I never commented. And I was
getting tired of the debate; it was not my intention to prove that I was
"right."
She also wrote:
"Aranizers produce Ozone (O3) which will depot in sheet rock. Ozone in small
amounts will combine with other toxic VOCs in the air and make a more potent
chemical cocktail. Ozone is toxic to humans, plants and animals. In minute
amounts it is not so noticeable but when you consider the Total Load of
toxins you are dealing with plus the above mentioned facts you are poisoning
yourself. Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news Nina but this is something I
am intimately familiar with as Neuro-pharmacologist and one who has been
gravely ill, no pun intended, with MCS and EI."
Ozone breaks down into oxygen and the remaining O1, by nature unstable, will
scavenge whatever it picks up (a toxin). I don't see how ozone can "depot"
(I think she meant deposit) in sheet rock.
All I can say is that based on everything I know, have experienced, and have
researched, I disagree about ozone's presumed harm. You have to use your own
discernment to find out what's true for you. I subscribe to the Oxyplus
list, run by a man whom I regard as one of the most knowledgeable experts in
the field of ozone therapy; some of what I have learned is from him.
Everything I have done regarding actual ozone use, I would think, is
considerably more than what Garnet has done, since she was against using it.
How can you say for sure that something is harmful if you've never used or
experienced it? Or read data explaining WHY most of the information that's
out there is propaganda? She had her beliefs, and felt that she was acting
appropriately based on what she believed from her research and education. I
had my beliefs, based on research and experience. I consider it a blessing
that I didn't have her background; I might have ended up being afraid of
ozone too. There has been lots of misinformation about ozone, and I'm not
surprised that otherwise knowledge and bright people can be mistaken and
misinformed...and then misinform others.
Using ozone correctly, and in the proper amounts, has helped me. I've
breathed it through olive oil and stopped respiratory wheezing; put it in my
ears and considerably lessened a fungal sinus infection (not to mention
cleared my brain of toxins and probably fungus too); breathed it in a room
where a unit was running (and coughed at first until the crap was oxidized
out of my lungs, at which point the ozone in the air no longer bothered me);
touched it (gotten rid of gasoline on my hands by placing my hands directly
on an Aranizer for 3 minutes); and more. Oh, and I've also placed the lower
portion of my small dog in a plastic bag with ozone piped in through a tube.
This is to bring ozone to tumors on her belly. Many times after I've done
this, the dog's energy has perked up.
I don't know if this is relevant or not, but the writer of the above email
did spell my name wrong. So she can make mistakes.
She also wrote:
"You must remember that we know NOTHING about the pharmacology of these
substances in combination, NOTHING. No one tests this. The governement does
not require it nor do they enforce the EPA and other legislation that
requires toxicity testing of the millions of chemicals on the market. The
mfgs certainly do not test volutarily and in most instances much prefer to
pay the fines and court costs involved. It is simply factored into the cost
of doing business and the expense is passed on to the unwitting consumer."
I'm not sure what she meant by the above. I'm sure that *she* knows nothing
about "substances in combination"; but that doesn't mean that other people
don't know anything.
Bottom line, to repeat, it's up to each person to do what feels right to
him/her. I thought it was a shame that on a health list, people might be
swayed by a very powerful and persuasive -- and intelligent! -- writer with
a decided bias, a bias based on what I perceived was incomplete knowledge. I
wanted to bring in another perspective. I did. I feel no need to defend
myself or to defend ozone. If people resonate with what I write, then
they'll investigate.
Do you have an online material like what is found in
your book?
You can read the table of contents on my website. There are excerpts from my
Rife Handbook; I honestly don't recall at the moment whether or not there
are excerpts from the sauna therapy book.
The air cleaner units I have are seen here:
http://www.peakpureair.com/surroundair.htm
To be honest, it is hard to tell if they work. I
bought three of these. One for the bedroom, and two
for the living room. We live in a 700 sq. ft apt. I'm
not a rocket scientist, so the whole ozone thing for
long term air sanitizing is a mystery to me. One
person or study says it's bad, then another says it's
good. My main thrust for purchasing these, though,
was for the ion generation, not really the ozone. So
maybe the salt lamps will be a better choice. Maybe
you can comment to me privately on that.
Ken, you don't *need* to be a rocket scientist. If you want, you can call
the Aranizer company and ask them for a reprint of an article that explains
how so many conflicting opinions came to be. In my sauna therapy book, I
quote that article and bring together what I believe is the best compilation
of data that gives people a real good handle on ozone -- the myths
surrounding it, how they came to be, and solid scientific data to refute the
myths about ozone's presumed harm. Did you know that Nikola Tesla invented
an ozone cream that is stupendous? People make it today and use it. A doctor
invented a device through which people could breathe ozone and essential
oils. The ozone changed the nature of the oils and people's respiratory
problems cleared up. The doctor received a patent on the device.
Sometimes I wish I were rich and well educated, so
that I could spend my time conducting studies on these
things and find out the truth for myself. It seems you
can only really know for sure when you have money to
try things out and knowledge to really know what's BS
or not. I'm just not in that category.
There IS a lot of data out there. But I don't think you need to investigate
everything from scratch and reinvent the wheel. And you don't need to buy
everything that's being made, either. It took me four years to write my book
on sauna therapy. I sincerely believe that I've done the groundwork for you;
the appendix on ozone (it's like an entire chapter) is pretty complete. You
can join Oxyplus and go through the archives and ask people on the list
questions. You can call the Aranizer people and ask for their special
report. And/or, you can get my book. My website contains some very nice
cover quotes (Dr. Doris Rapp is one of the people who gave me one), and you
can find reviews of the book on Amazon. It was given 5 stars, the highest
rating. When Mike ever gets around to finishing it (I hope you're reading
this, dear moderator), he'll review the book as well.
Finally -- regarding ion generation. I've never tried a salt lamp, and I
haven't read how they work, so I can't comment on whether or not they do in
fact work. Some of the ones I've seen are certainly gorgeous; so at the very
least, you'd get a really nice lamp. Negative ions are beneficial and people
generally feel good around them right away; so if you feel good from a
negative ion generator, you'll know you've gotten a good unit.
If there are no bad odors in your living space for ozone to oxidize, and
there's nothing in your lungs that needs clearing -- this is assuming you
have a good ozone unit -- you might not notice much. But ozone does have a
distinctive odor, similar to the air after a thunderstorm. If the unit
smells crappy, it is not made properly and it's emitting toxic compounds
along with the ozone.
Best wishes,
Nenah
Nenah Sylver, PhD
http://www.nenahsylver.com
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