On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/27/07, Stefan Pernar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/27/07, Aleksei Riikonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> So is there actually anything in CEV that you object to? > > > > Oh sure - all my previous objections: circularity, 'goodness' not > inherent > > in CEV still stand. > > This is getting ridiculous. As repeatedly stated in this discussion, > there is nothing circular about a sequence of steps of the following > sort: > > (1) A superintelligent AI such that it doesn't start killing humans or > other nasty things, is created. > (2) The one thing that the AI *does* do, is start asking humans what > they want to be done. As a part of this asking process, humans (and/or > simulated copies of them) are made smarter and more knowledgeable, and > are changed in other ways (if any) that the humans want to be changed > in. > (3) Eventually the process of humans (and/or their copies) getting > significantly smarter, more knowledgeable etc stops, and the answers > the humans give to questions such as "what should be done?" and "what > is 'good'?" become stable. > (4) Then the AI just does what the humans want to be done. Happy end, > no circular loop.
Aleksei, as it stands there are two interpretations of CEV: 1) "What would a better humanity want" This I criticize as being circular as the system would need a definition for 'good' in order to model a better humanity. 2) "Let's survey humanity for what it wants" This I criticize as being an elaborate way of asking the question of what is 'good' as opposed to answering what is good itself. I prefer to coming up with a good answer to the question if you will instead of merely asking it. How about we continue this debate via private email - I think the list is starting to yawn. -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi Chao Yang District 100015 Beijing P.R. CHINA Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604&id_secret=58073748-465565
