Ben:  MT:To be clear: I'm saying - no society and culture, no individual 
intelligence. The individual is part of a complex - & in the human case - VAST 
social web. (How ironic, Ben, that you could be asserting your position while 
totally embedded in the greatest social web ever - the Net. Your whole work 
depends on the Web and speaks to it).
To me that's like saying "How ironic that you can assert the possibility of 
rolling on wheels, when you yourself walk with legs." Human intelligence is 
tied to society and culture.  Not all intelligence must be.

Can't resist a comeback. The wheels don't get to roll, if the legs don't get in 
the car. (Ditto the computer doesn't calculate if the hand doesn't switch it 
on). The one depends on the other & vice versa. The individual depends on the 
society, & vice versa. But it's easy intellectually to fail to see the vital 
connection.

Try & find a single example of any form of intelligence that has ever existed 
in splendid individual isolation. That is so wrong an idea - like perpetual 
motion - & so fundamental to the question of superAGI's. (It's also a 
fascinating philosophical issue).


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