I've never done anything like that before, but I guess it sounds like a winner...

In any case 1 T1 isn't going to cut the mustard when running 40 phones and that many departments. I have a site with 6 people and 7 phones and I had to put a secondary proxy out there because the signalling wasn't reliable (yes I had QoS set up properly).

Josh Patten
Assistant Network Administrator
Brazos County IT Dept.
(979) 361-4676


On 7/1/2010 8:16 AM, Tony Graziano wrote:
Might I suggest a private MPLS cloud instead of the T1's with tagging for voice... this way he can use VVX's out on the fringe and we all know how fond of those he is.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Josh Patten <jpat...@co.brazos.tx.us <mailto:jpat...@co.brazos.tx.us>> wrote:

    Might I suggest putting a redundant proxy out at the remote
    location and configuring your DNS like this:
    
http://wiki.sipfoundry.org/display/xecsuser/Location+based+DNS+views+for+sipXecs+using+BIND
    so all phones at that location register to that redundant proxy.

    >From experience I would get a second point-to-point data T1 to
    that location dedicated to voice. Having that many users chewing
    up your T1 PLUS phones is just asking for trouble.

    Josh Patten
    Assistant Network Administrator
    Brazos County IT Dept.
    (979) 361-4676


    On 7/1/2010 7:08 AM, Nathaniel Watkins wrote:

    The remote contains these offices (I’m not sure what some of
    these offices due – some are State/Federal offices):

    Public Utilities

    Permits & Inspections

    Extension Office

    NRCS & GSCD

    Farm Service Agency

    Rural Development

    Election Board

    I totally agree that putting all your eggs in one T1 basket
    sounds like crazy talk – however…

    Here are thoughts/concerns with a totally separate sipXecs install:

    1) Manageability

    a. Patton will require additional routing rules for base
    functionality

    b. Additional dialing rules to route between sipxósipxóNECóetc.

    c. Greatly complicates the overall design

    2) Functionality

    a. End users are expecting the capability to plug their phones in
    and just work (at any county location) – if we are routing DID’s
    to the remote – and they plug their phones in at our Emergency
    Operations Center – it needs to just ring there

    3) Costs

    a. One of the driving factors is reducing costs – having a
    ‘server’ (granted could be an inexpensive one), plus failover
trunks (handful of POTS lines), plus additional analog gatways. We are then looking at $2,000 capital costs and $1,000 annual
    operating costs.  This greatly drives down the ROI and it seems
    hard to justify those costs coupled with the added complexity of
    managing separate servers (plus having multiple DNS/DHCP
    scopes).  All to work around a potential 2% business interruption
    (considering a potential 1 week down time hazard).

    A HA install could be a compromise, but that introduces its own
    issues - Perhaps a good compromise of a unified system and
    failover would be to have a second route between sites;  i.e.
    have a site to site vpn over the internet that would be a backup
    link.  In the event of a T1 failure, we could route traffic over
    said connection?

    In a perfect world, I’d love to have a single, simple to manage
    phone system.  Not 5 separate systems that I have to link
    together and have equipment all over the place that I have to
    keep tabs on.  Of course, I’d also like to not get fired for
    killing all of our phones J

    Nathaniel Watkins
    IT Director
    Garrett County Government
    203 South 4th Street, Room 210
    Oakland, MD  21550
    Telephone: 301-334-5001
    Fax: 301-334-5021
    E-mail: nwatk...@garrettcounty.org
    <mailto:nwatk...@garrettcounty.org>

    *From:* sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org
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    [mailto:sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org] *On Behalf Of
    *Tony Graziano
    *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:01 AM
    *To:* maybelater
    *Cc:* sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org
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    *Subject:* Re: [sipx-users] sipx-users Digest, Vol 76, Issue 154

    Nathaniel,

    It really needs to be an analysis of "how that branch" functions.
    Depending on the role the branch serves within the organization
    in the event of any "natural disaster", especially for
    intra-office communication, relying on a T1 to call down the
    hall, upstairs, downstairs, etc, is perhaps "nonsensical".

    A local PSTN gateway for inbound calls to be redirected for a
    main number, and for emergency outbound calling pretty well
    insulates it. With forty or so workers,  1 T1 only goes so far
    when it comes to calls:bandwidth. Of course, for branches with
    enough users, I always stick with a dedicated system per branch
    as I like a higher level of functionality when something goes
    down. For instance, if the T1 goes down and they can no longer
    make enterprise calls to other branches, they can dial the
    published number via a "copper rule" for dialing out via PSTN on
    a local gateway (as well as 911).

    Ultimately there has to be a "weight" to gauge what needs to be
    available, and how efficient and connected the branch stays in an
    outage. With a separate system the users can:

    1. Continue t have their phones register.

    2. Call each other.

    3. Check voicemail.

    4. Dial around to call out via alternate gateway (analog/siptrunk).

    5. Call from their desk to bug you to ask you why you haven't
    fixed it yet.

    6. Call other branches via their PSTN published number.

    Calling patterns, roles and survivability are all factors.

    On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:26 AM, maybelater <maybela...@gmx.de
    <mailto:maybela...@gmx.de>> wrote:

    I might not be able to configure sipx the way I want, but been
    working in
    sales and system-consulting for 4 years now.

    -breakdown of business telephony is major business killer
    -according to Murphy your T1 WILL break down as soon as you rely
    on it too
    much
    -rerouting to mobile is great, but what about outbound calls ?
    -need of local PSTN-Gateways is totally dependent on the task
    your coworkers
    on the remote site are doing, the availability they need for
    their telephony

    I am a strong believer in centralization, thus I would just
    configure them
    on the central PBX, but there are (of course) scenarios where the
    customer
    Or the situation demands the best possible availability


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