you wrote, "Is it just this hard for you?"

I'm not sure how to take that.

Anyway, I did as you said and clicked "Send Profiles." The job failed 
due to timeout, but it must have generated all the files, because on the 
next reboot, the phone registered - via tftp!

I know you think it's easier to use FTP, but I have to work within the 
resources and limitations I have.

Thanks again for your help and insight.

BTW, I can dial another extension, but I get no audio. I'll try do dig 
that out on my own via the book, the wiki and the archives before I 
bother anyone else.

Stiles


Tony Graziano wrote:
> Go to the phone in sipxconfig and generate (push) profile to the phone. A
> reboot of the phone is not necessary.
>
> Is it just this hard for you?
>
> Hopefully you don't have a version of firmware earlier than 3.2.1. A 335 is
> a difficult phone to deploy remotely with a polycom r.e bug. If I were you
> I'd turn off any device files (inactivate) so you aren't mistakenly trying
> to push an ealier version.
> ============================
> Tony Graziano, Manager
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> Fax: 434.984.8431
>
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>
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>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org
> <sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org>
> To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
> <sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org>
> Sent: Mon Sep 20 13:06:57 2010
> Subject: Re: [sipx-users] SRV records for ftp
>
> That is very true.
>
> Interesting development: I pulled down the polycom ip 335 admin guide
> and on the top of page 41 (3-5) there is the following note:
>
> "Setting Option 66 to tftp://192.168.9.10 has the effect of forcing a
> TFTP download. Using a TFTP URL (for example,
> tftp://provserver.polycom.com) has the same effect."
>
> So, I manually configed the phone and set the "Server Type" to
> "TrivalFTP," and set the "Server Address" to "tftp://24.106.178.178";
> (the WAN), opened the firewall to allow tftp traffic to the sipxecs
> subnet, added appropriate NAT policies, rebooted the phone and ...
>
> I get "Config file error Error is 0x20" and the phone continuously
> reboots. On reboot, the phone displays "Updating Config," gets an IP,
> displays the error and the process starts all over again.
>
> I'm assuming this means it actually tried to get a file from the server
> and there is either something wrong with the file or no file was found,
> but that is just a guess. Based on this assumption, I executed a find
> for the MAC.cfg on the server, but nothing was found, which seems
> incorrect.
>
> Am I getting closer or just spinning my wheels?
>
> Stiles
>
>
> Tony Graziano wrote:
>   
>> You changes the sip password in sipxconfig since the phone loaded its
>> profile last.
>> ============================
>> Tony Graziano, Manager
>> Telephone: 434.984.8430
>> Fax: 434.984.8431
>>
>> Email: tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net
>>
>> LAN/Telephony/Security and Control Systems Helpdesk:
>> Telephone: 434.984.8426
>> Fax: 434.984.8427
>>
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>> http://www.myitdepartment.net/gethelp/
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org
>> <sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org>
>> To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
>> <sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org>
>> Sent: Mon Sep 20 12:02:33 2010
>> Subject: Re: [sipx-users] SRV records for ftp
>>
>> The registration request is getting to sipx. I turned the logging level
>> to DEBUG, restarted the services and executed following:
>>
>> tail -f /var/log/sipxpbx/sipXproxy.log | grep "REGISTER sip" | grep
>> "1...@datatek-net.com" > regdebug141.log
>>
>> After the polycom reboot completed, I executed
>>
>> wc -l regdebug141.log
>>
>> and received "17 regdebug141.log" as the result. I then executed
>>
>> grep -i received regdebug141.log  | wc -l
>>
>> with a result of '9'. When I tail /var/log/sipxpbx/sipregistrar.log I
>> see the following:
>>
>> "2010-09-20T15:19:11.048702Z":33020:AUTH:DEBUG:sipx.datatek-net.com:SipRegistrarServer:B6C81B90:SipRegistrar:"SipRegistrarServer::isAuthorized
>> fromNameAddr='\"Stiles
>> Watson\"<sip:1...@datatek-net.com>;tag=1F8AD21E-973871A1',
>> toUri='sip:1...@datatek-net.com', realm='datatek-net.com'"
>> "2010-09-20T15:19:11.051052Z":33028:AUTH:ERR:sipx.datatek-net.com:SipRegistrarServer:B6C81B90:SipRegistrar:"Response
>> auth hash does not match (bad password?) toUri='sip:1...@datatek-net.com'
>> requestUser='141/0004f22d79be'
>> requestNonce='473b74442d2dcf443a0823b9dbbdefaa4c977b6e'
>> uriParam='sip:datatek-net.com:5060' passTokenDB='6qk50suJ'
>> authTypeDB='DIGEST'"
>>
>> "2010-09-20T15:19:11.052127Z":33030:SIP:DEBUG:sipx.datatek-net.com:SipRegistrarServer:B6C81B90:SipRegistrar:"
>> ----------------------------------
>> Sending final response
>> SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized
>> From: \"Stiles Watson\" <sip:1...@datatek-net.com>;tag=1F8AD21E-973871A1
>> To: <sip:1...@datatek-net.com>;tag=50CQ8f
>> Call-Id: 653dce0e-9a15011-6ecf0...@192.168.16.102
>> Cseq: 2 REGISTER
>> Via: SIP/2.0/TCP
>> 24.106.178.178:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-131f715siA6jenamQxLO0Tevfg;received=192.168.25.11;rport=54527
>> Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
>> 192.168.16.102;branch=z9hG4bK6e5a416f288A684A;received=75.189.229.254;rport=5060
>> Www-Authenticate: Digest realm=\"datatek-net.com\",
>> nonce=\"9406c4cb79ee436c0cfd9b2082a412444c977b6f\", qop=\"auth\"
>> User-Agent: sipXecs/4.2.1 sipXecs/registry (Linux)
>> Content-Length: 0"
>>
>> "2010-09-20T15:19:11.061815Z":33038:OUTGOING:INFO:sipx.datatek-net.com:SipRegistrarServer:B6C81B90:SipRegistrar:"SipUserAgent::sendTcp
>> TCP SIP User Agent sent message:
>> ----Local Host:192.168.25.11---- Port: -1----
>> ----Remote Host:192.168.25.11---- Port: 54527----
>> SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized
>> From: \"Stiles Watson\" <sip:1...@datatek-net.com>;tag=1F8AD21E-973871A1
>> To: <sip:1...@datatek-net.com>;tag=50CQ8f
>> Call-Id: 653dce0e-9a15011-6ecf0...@192.168.16.102
>> Cseq: 2 REGISTER
>> Via: SIP/2.0/TCP
>> 24.106.178.178:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-131f715siA6jenamQxLO0Tevfg;received=192.168.25.11;rport=54527
>> Via: SIP/2.0/UDP
>> 192.168.16.102;branch=z9hG4bK6e5a416f288A684A;received=75.189.229.254;rport=5060
>> Www-Authenticate: Digest realm=\"datatek-net.com\",
>> nonce=\"9406c4cb79ee436c0cfd9b2082a412444c977b6f\", qop=\"auth\"
>> User-Agent: sipXecs/4.2.1 sipXecs/registry (Linux)
>> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:19:11 GMT
>> Allow: INVITE, ACK, CANCEL, BYE, REFER, OPTIONS, REGISTER, SUBSCRIBE
>> Accept-Language: en
>> Supported: gruu, path
>> Content-Length: 0
>>
>> --------------------END--------------------"
>>
>> I've tripple-checked the SIP pasword and it is correct. So I'm guessing
>> "Response auth hash does not match (bad password?)" from the debug
>> statement is referring to something else.
>>
>> Stiles
>>
>> Tony Graziano wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> If it has a valid config file and the remoe firewall has spi and sip alg
>>> off
>>> and your sonicwall is not getting in thje way, yes.
>>> ============================
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org
>>> <sipx-users-boun...@list.sipfoundry.org>
>>> To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
>>> <sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org>
>>> Sent: Mon Sep 20 07:50:59 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [sipx-users] SRV records for ftp
>>>
>>> Still working through the options you've given me, but the Polysom should
>>> be able to register remotely without ftp if everything is configed
>>> correctly, right?
>>>
>>> Stiles
>>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:43:24 -0400, Tony Graziano
>>> <tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> By the way... the first sentence in this thread is:
>>>> "OK Tony, shoot me down:"
>>>>
>>>> It's actually the IETF and Polycom who did the shooting here...
>>>> IETF should write two papers on an RFC. Once for engineers, and one for
>>>> everyone else instead of trying to deciper what they mean with loosely
>>>> selected verbs.
>>>> Polycom (like a lot of hardware manufacturers) should state, this works
>>>> for this, that works for that, and not you can't mix and match ip's and
>>>> ports, we like it this way... it wouldn't be that hard.
>>>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Tony Graziano  wrote:
>>>>  Realize the Aastra is a different client, and "how" the manufacturer
>>>> implements a protocol is VERY different from another one...
>>>> FTP is the way to do it, and these days PASV FTP is pretty much needed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> do bootrom updates with Polycom. Even in their http/https provisioning
>>>> they won't do bootrom and firmware over https, only http. So it's not as
>>>> simple as "just make sipx use https", it would have to do both. Add to
>>>> that Polycom is constantly changing their config file format,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> parameters,
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> arguments, etc. FTP works, so that's what I suggest to do.
>>>> Can you get another IP and add it to the firewall (even if just for
>>>> ftp)...?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Stiles Watson  wrote:
>>>>  Thanks, you are a wealth of info! I'll try the several options you've
>>>>  given me.
>>>>
>>>>  FYI, I had an Aastra 67301i auto provisioning with trixbox CE via TFTP.
>>>>  The phone made its request to the public IP and all I had to do on the
>>>>  local firewall was open the port for WAN to trixbox subnet and create
>>>>  the NAT rules to send the request to the trixbox server. No remote
>>>>  firewall config had to be done.
>>>>
>>>>  Stiles
>>>>
>>>>  Tony Graziano wrote:
>>>>  > Crap. That's a loaded question.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > It all in the protocol, and ANY nat translation.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > TFTP (nothing to do with sipx, its the nature of tftp) must use a
>>>>  > pseudo random port or your remote firewall must have a way to punch
>>>>  > through udp in NAT mode, which is not the same as ANY NAT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> translation,
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>>  > which means it is inherently PASV, but the typical tftpd in linux
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> does
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>>  > not have the ability to specify PORTS. It's like PASV FTP, where port
>>>>  > 21 is the control channel, but in vsftpd you specify the ports where
>>>>  > the requests for data is coming from. It is more likely the remote
>>>>  > firewall (try putting the phone IP as a DMZ host just to see if tftp
>>>>  > works). I don't fiddle much with home based routers, they're a pain.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3489.txt [3]
>>>>  >
>>>>  > It makes me need a drink, and its why I use FTP for remote phones.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > There is a way to get that to work, but you must have the required
>>>>  > items (port translation, and that pattern is full).
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Stiles Watson  > wrote:
>>>>  >
>>>>  >     Well, not so happy about that.
>>>>  >
>>>>  >     Thanks for the explanation though.
>>>>  >
>>>>  >     So ... why can I not use TFTP?
>>>>  >
>>>>  >     Stiles
>>>>  >
>>>>  >     Tony Graziano wrote:
>>>>  >>     Er.. Bang?
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     I could assume the FTP NAT/PAT (NAT with port translation) from
>>>>  >>     21 to 844 would work...
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     PHONE--(grab file at
>>>>  >>     ftp://1.2.3.4:8444 [6])INTERNET     192.168.2.2:21 [7] ,
>>>> sending it on>>--vsftpd
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     1. I don't think the polycom is sophisticated enough to do any
>>>>  >>     type of DNS lookup other than hostname or IP for ftp, so the
>>>> SRV
>>>>  >>     record is not useful, you're better off removing it.
>>>>  >>     2. The remote phone must be hardcoded
>>>>  >>     (menu>advanced>servermenu>ftp  ftp port BUT the
>>>>  >>     polycom doesn't allow you to change the PORT.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     If the SRV records do work, you should alter vsftpd to run on
>>>>  >>     that port anyway, but I am doubtful that is functional.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> http://www.polycom.com/global/documents/support/setup_maintenance/products/voice/spip_ssip_Admin_Guide_SIP_3_1.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> [9]
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     3-9 and 3-10 pretty much tell me a hostname or IP is all they
>>>>  >>     accept. The protocols are perhaps non-negotiable for
>>>> provisioning
>>>>  >>     to alter the port with the exception of the "120" option, which
>>>>  >>     is a string, though the polycom may not handle parsing the
>>>>  >>     ip:port part of it as it has very limited logic at bootup.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     Don't assume when they say ftps they mean ftp over ssh, its
>>>> not,
>>>>  >>     it means ssl is configured and running on your ftp server, but
>>>>  >>     still running on port 21. So you either need to "change" the
>>>> NAT
>>>>  >>     on your firewall and see if the PASV config setting work and
>>>> the
>>>>  >>     phone provisions remotely, then decide how you want to proceed.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     Bootrom changes pretty much force a "non-active" FTP server to
>>>> be
>>>>  >>     out of the picture (really, in the document link above, go
>>>>  >>     figure), which means you can upgrade firmware and config but
>>>> not
>>>>  >>     bootrom after a certain version is loaded. So thanks Doug for
>>>>  >>     pushing on this one.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     I think Polycom is REAL FUZZY on this, because they don't
>>>>  >>     EXPLICITLY state the following:
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     FTP or FTPS means PORT 21, no exceptions! (etc. for ftfp, http
>>>> on
>>>>  >>     port 80 https on 443, etc.
>>>>  >>     PASV FTP requires the following commands to be available on the
>>>>  >>     FTP server (and provide the fracking list!).
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     I am real doubtful you can put in a "120" string and do
>>>>  >>     "ftp://1.2.3.4:8444 [10]", but heck maybe you can and I'm just
>>>> too
>>>>  >>     lazy to try?
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     So this means you can test with what you got but rearrange the
>>>>  >>     firewall, push your configs, and then change it back... or get
>>>>  >>     another public IP on your firewall for this...
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Stiles Watson
>>>>  >>      wrote:
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         OK Tony, shoot me down:
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         I'm attempting to do what you suggested and use FTP
>>>> instead
>>>>  >>         of TFTP for
>>>>  >>         remote provisioning the Polycom IP 335. The problem is
>>>> that
>>>>  >>         we already
>>>>  >>         use FTP and we can not move our customer facing FTP to
>>>>  >>         another port. I
>>>>  >>         figured I could just configure the phone to use ftp on
>>>>  >>         another port -
>>>>  >>         but i was wrong (at least I could not find an place to do
>>>> it).
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         Therefore, my solution:
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         * setup an SRV record to point to the non-standard ftp
>>>> port
>>>>  >>         (8444)
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         ** _ftp._tcp.datatek-net.com [13] .
>>>>  >>         7200    IN    SRV    0 0 8444 datatek-net.com [15]
>>>>  >>         .
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         ** this SRV record was created on the primary DNS for our
>>>>  >>         domain and not
>>>>  >>         on the DNS server running on the sipX box as it is behind
>>>> NAT.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         * configured the phone to use FTP and use the SRV url as
>>>> the
>>>>  >>         server (
>>>>  >>         _ftp._tcp.datatek-net.com [17]  )
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         * configured the firewall to allow (8444) traffic from
>>>> WAN to
>>>>  >>         the sipX
>>>>  >>         subdomain
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         * created a PAT policy to translate port 8444 coming into
>>>> the
>>>>  >>         WAN to
>>>>  >>         port 21 and forwarded it to the sipX server.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         I also configed vsftp.conf via your xx-8904 ticket as you
>>>>  >>         suggested.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         But ... it still does not work.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         By the way, I bought the e-book yesterday and am finding
>>>> it
>>>>  >>         very helpful.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         Stiles
>>>>  >>         _______________________________________________
>>>>  >>         sipx-users mailing list
>>>>  >>         sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org [19]
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>         List Archive:
>>>> http://list.sipfoundry.org/archive/sipx-users/ [21]
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     --
>>>>  >>     ======================
>>>>  >>     Tony Graziano, Manager
>>>>  >>     Telephone: 434.984.8430
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              434.984.8430
>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>>  >>     sip: tgrazi...@voice.myitdepartment.net [22]
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     Fax: 434.984.8431
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     Email: tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net [24]
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     LAN/Telephony/Security and Control Systems Helpdesk:
>>>>  >>     Telephone: 434.984.8426
>>>>  >>     sip: helpd...@voice.myitdepartment.net [26]
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     Fax: 434.984.8427
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     Helpdesk Contract Customers:
>>>>  >>     http://www.myitdepartment.net/gethelp/ [28]
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>     Why do mathematicians always confuse Halloween and Christmas?
>>>>  >>     Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>  >
>>>>  >
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>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  > --
>>>>  > ======================
>>>>  > Tony Graziano, Manager
>>>>  > Telephone: 434.984.8430
>>>>  > sip: tgrazi...@voice.myitdepartment.net [35]
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Fax: 434.984.8431
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Email: tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net [37]
>>>>  >
>>>>  > LAN/Telephony/Security and Control Systems Helpdesk:
>>>>  > Telephone: 434.984.8426
>>>>  > sip: helpd...@voice.myitdepartment.net [39]
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Fax: 434.984.8427
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Helpdesk Contract Customers:
>>>>  > http://www.myitdepartment.net/gethelp/ [41]
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Why do mathematicians always confuse Halloween and Christmas?
>>>>  > Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec.
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>  >
>>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>>  > sipx-users mailing list
>>>>  > sipx-users@list.sipfoundry.org [42]
>>>>  > List Archive: http://list.sipfoundry.org/archive/sipx-users/ [43]
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>>>> --
>>>> ======================
>>>> Tony Graziano, Manager
>>>> Telephone: 434.984.8430
>>>> sip: tgrazi...@voice.myitdepartment.net [46]
>>>>  Fax: 434.984.8431
>>>>
>>>> Email: tgrazi...@myitdepartment.net [47]
>>>>
>>>> LAN/Telephony/Security and Control Systems Helpdesk:
>>>> Telephone: 434.984.8426
>>>> sip: helpd...@voice.myitdepartment.net [48]
>>>>  Fax: 434.984.8427
>>>>
>>>> Helpdesk Contract Customers:
>>>> http://www.myitdepartment.net/gethelp/ [49]
>>>>
>>>> Why do mathematicians always confuse Halloween and Christmas?
>>>>  Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
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