I wonder if we should also build in a mechanism for blocking IP's with
failed registration attempts right into sipXecs...

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Tony Graziano <[email protected]
> wrote:

> If it matters, you can block this type of traffic behavior (or limit it)
> via a firewall.
>
> With a pfsense firewall I simply use the rule where port 5060/udp is
> allowed, then I go to the advanced settings and place a setting for the
>
> Maximum new connections / per second(s)
>
> Which will have to be sized for your environment so as not to interfere
> with legitimate operations. While not perfect, it offers some additional
> level of protection against dos.
>
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Joegen Baclor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>  I've looked at the logs that you sent.  It is clearly a DOS attack.   The
>> attacker is sending you several thousands of REGISTER request and gradually
>> depletes your system resource.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 27 September, 2010 03:39 PM, Tran, Ly V. wrote:
>>
>>  Is it possible that sipxproxy is failing because we are being DOS
>> attacked via VOIP scanned?  Looking at the sipxproxy log leading up to it
>> failing, I see alot of scans coming from a Chinese IP address and 
>> *nUser-Agent:
>> friendly-scanner.*  There are a bunch of user names like vlad, yvette,
>> takashi etc. none of which are legit users in our system.  Are these logs
>> telling us we are hacked and our system compromised.  CDR doesn't show any
>> calls to the numbers mentioned in this log, but then again we were being
>> charged recently by our ITSP for some un-authorized calls that didn't show
>> up in the SipX CDRs.
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.407594Z":7925:OUTGOING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipRouter-11:B65BBB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::sendUdp
>> UDP SIP User Agent sent message:\n----Local Host:192.168.2.2---- Port:
>> 5060----\n----Remote Host:24.100.100.100---- Port: 5060----\nREGISTER
>> sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0\r\nRecord-Route:
>> <sip:24.100.100.100:5060;lr;sipXecs-rs=%2Aauth%7E.%2Afrom%7ENzY2YzYxNjQwMTMxMzMzNzM1MzEzNTM2MzczNjMz%21b8fb0418f51986ff3263ed6be1351e37>\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-05bcuHDJHxHv1FOLcZUPZrReVA\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 222.73.177.248:5140;branch=z9hG4bK-774575936;rport=5140\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\nFrom: \"vlad\"<sip:[email protected]>;
>> tag=766c61640131333735313536373633\r\nAccept: application/sdp\r\nUser-Agent:
>> friendly-scanner\r\nTo: \"vlad\"<sip:[email protected]>\r\nContact:
>> <sip:[email protected];x-sipX-nonat>\r\nCseq: 1 REGISTER\r\nCall-Id:
>> 1737450884\r\nMax-Forwards: 20\r\nDate: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 06:59:44
>> GMT\r\n\r\n--------------------END--------------------"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.408250Z":7926:INCOMING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"Read
>> SIP message:\n----Local Host:192.168.2.2---- Port: 5060----\n----Remote
>> Host:192.168.2.254---- Port: 5060----\nREGISTER 
>> sip:[email protected]/2.0\r\nRecord-Route:
>> <sip:24.100.100.100:5060;lr;sipXecs-rs=%2Aauth%7E.%2Afrom%7ENzY2YzYxNjQwMTMxMzMzNzM1MzEzNTM2MzczNjMz%21b8fb0418f51986ff3263ed6be1351e37>\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-05bcuHDJHxHv1FOLcZUPZrReVA\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 222.73.177.248:5140;branch=z9hG4bK-774575936;rport=5140\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\nFrom: \"vlad\"<sip:[email protected]>;
>> tag=766c61640131333735313536373633\r\nAccept: application/sdp\r\nUser-Agent:
>> friendly-scanner\r\nTo: \"vlad\"<sip:[email protected]>\r\nContact:
>> <sip:[email protected];x-sipX-nonat>\r\nCseq: 1 REGISTER\r\nCall-Id:
>> 1737450884\r\nMax-Forwards: 20\r\nDate: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 06:59:44
>> GMT\r\n\r\n====================END===================="
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.408352Z":7927:OUTGOING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipUserAgent-2:B66BCB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::sendUdp
>> resend 1 of UDP message\nUDP SIP User Agent sent message:\n----Local
>> Host:192.168.2.2---- Port: 5060----\n----Remote Host:24.100.100.100----
>> Port: 5060----\nREGISTER sip:[email protected]/2.0\r\nRecord-Route:
>> <sip:24.100.100.100:5060;lr;sipXecs-rs=%2Aauth%7E.%2Afrom%7ENzQ2MTZiNjE3MzY4NjkwMTM0MzIzMDM1MzkzNDMyMzYzNTM1.900_ntap%2ACrT%7EMTkyLjE2OC4yLjI1NDo1MDYwO3RyYW5zcG9ydD11ZHA%60%21818c3dfdaab5833a8998bb50e63806a1>\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0583FNk1cdV5C0srSd`_nPLpzw\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-034cqNBFoWDd98mdTI5YObOJqw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-01f9R``DgdmJ4A626ty_t`Tnnw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0130rUP`gvrZOk4U4j58o53IKg;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 222.73.177.248:5140;branch=z9hG4bK-1796203228;rport=5140\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\nFrom: \"takashi\"<sip:[email protected]>;
>> tag=74616b617368690134323035393432363535\r\nAccept:
>> application/sdp\r\nUser-Agent: friendly-scanner\r\nTo: \"takashi\"
>> <sip:[email protected]>\r\nContact:
>> <sip:[email protected]:5060;x-sipX-privcontact=24.100.100.100>\r\nCseq:
>> 1 REGISTER\r\nCall-Id: 1910971822\r\nMax-Forwards: 17\r\nDate: Sun, 26 Sep
>> 2010 06:59:43 GMT\r\nX-Sipx-Spiral:
>> true\r\n\r\n--------------------END--------------------"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.409490Z":7928:INCOMING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"Read
>> SIP message:\n----Local Host:192.168.2.2---- Port: 5060----\n----Remote
>> Host:222.73.177.248---- Port: 5140----\nREGISTER
>> sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0\r\nVia: SIP/2.0/UDP
>> 222.73.177.248:5140;branch=z9hG4bK-258420628;rport\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\nFrom: \"zachary\"<sip:[email protected]>;
>> tag=7a6163686172790131383135313630333435\r\nAccept:
>> application/sdp\r\nUser-Agent: friendly-scanner\r\nTo: \"zachary\"
>> <sip:[email protected]>\r\nContact:
>> sip:[email protected]\r\ncseq: 1 REGISTER\r\nCall-ID:
>> 779215016\r\nMax-Forwards:
>> 70\r\n\r\n====================END===================="
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.410316Z":7929:AUTH:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipRouter-11:B65BBB90:SipXProxy:"EnforceAuthRules[400_authrules]::authorizeAndModify
>> no permission required for call 101914142"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.410391Z":7930:AUTH:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipRouter-11:B65BBB90:SipXProxy:"SipProxy::proxyMessage
>> authoritative authorization decision is ALLOW by 400_authrules for
>> 101914142"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.410464Z":7931:INCOMING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"Read
>> SIP message:\n----Local Host:192.168.2.2---- Port: 5060----\n----Remote
>> Host:192.168.2.254---- Port: 5060----\nREGISTER
>> sip:[email protected] SIP/2.0\r\nRecord-Route:
>> <sip:24.100.100.100:5060;lr;sipXecs-rs=%2Aauth%7E.%2Afrom%7ENzQ2MTZiNjE3MzY4NjkwMTM0MzIzMDM1MzkzNDMyMzYzNTM1.900_ntap%2ACrT%7EMTkyLjE2OC4yLjI1NDo1MDYwO3RyYW5zcG9ydD11ZHA%60%21818c3dfdaab5833a8998bb50e63806a1>\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0583FNk1cdV5C0srSd`_nPLpzw\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-034cqNBFoWDd98mdTI5YObOJqw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-01f9R``DgdmJ4A626ty_t`Tnnw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0130rUP`gvrZOk4U4j58o53IKg;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 222.73.177.248:5140;branch=z9hG4bK-1796203228;rport=5140\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\nFrom: \"takashi\"<sip:[email protected]>;
>> tag=74616b617368690134323035393432363535\r\nAccept:
>> application/sdp\r\nUser-Agent: friendly-scanner\r\nTo: \"takashi\"
>> <sip:[email protected]>\r\nContact:
>> <sip:[email protected]:5060;x-sipX-privcontact=24.100.100.100>\r\nCseq:
>> 1 REGISTER\r\nCall-Id: 1910971822\r\nMax-Forwards: 17\r\nDate: Sun, 26 Sep
>> 2010 06:59:43 GMT\r\nX-Sipx-Spiral:
>> true\r\n\r\n====================END===================="
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.411609Z":7932:SIP:WARNING:sipx.mydomain.com:SipRouter-11:B65BBB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::send
>> REGISTER request matches existing transaction"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.411693Z":7933:OUTGOING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::sendUdp
>> UDP SIP User Agent sent message:\n----Local Host:192.168.2.2---- Port:
>> 5060----\n----Remote Host:192.168.2.254---- Port: 5060----\nSIP/2.0 100
>> Trying\r\nFrom: \"takashi\"<sip:[email protected]>;
>> tag=74616b617368690134323035393432363535\r\nTo: \"takashi\"
>> <sip:[email protected]>\r\nCall-Id: 1910971822\r\nCseq: 1
>> REGISTER\r\nVia: SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0583FNk1cdV5C0srSd`_nPLpzw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-034cqNBFoWDd98mdTI5YObOJqw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-01f9R``DgdmJ4A626ty_t`Tnnw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0130rUP`gvrZOk4U4j58o53IKg;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 222.73.177.248:5140;branch=z9hG4bK-1796203228;rport=5140\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\n\r\n--------------------END--------------------"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.412193Z":7934:INCOMING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"Read
>> SIP message:\n----Local Host:192.168.2.2---- Port: 5060----\n----Remote
>> Host:24.100.100.100---- Port: 5060----\nSIP/2.0 100 Trying\r\nFrom:
>> \"takashi\"<sip:[email protected]>;
>> tag=74616b617368690134323035393432363535\r\nTo: \"takashi\"
>> <sip:[email protected]>\r\nCall-Id: 1910971822\r\nCseq: 1
>> REGISTER\r\nVia: SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0583FNk1cdV5C0srSd`_nPLpzw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-034cqNBFoWDd98mdTI5YObOJqw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-01f9R``DgdmJ4A626ty_t`Tnnw;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0130rUP`gvrZOk4U4j58o53IKg;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 222.73.177.248:5140;branch=z9hG4bK-1796203228;rport=5140\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\n\r\n====================END===================="
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.412731Z":7935:OUTGOING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipUserAgent-2:B66BCB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::sendUdp
>> resend 1 of UDP message\nUDP SIP User Agent sent message:\n----Local
>> Host:192.168.2.2---- Port: 5060----\n----Remote Host:24.100.100.100----
>> Port: 5060----\nREGISTER sip:[email protected]/2.0\r\nRecord-Route:
>> <sip:24.100.100.100:5060;lr;sipXecs-rs=%2Aauth%7E.%2Afrom%7ENzQ2ZjczNjg2OTc0NjU3MjAxMzEzNDMwMzUzNzM3MzUzNzM1Mzc%60%21d41d9ea6f70a9790ec9465517f52737a>\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-0586w7oxh5t_nkbb_M3tVpuIdg\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 24.100.100.100:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-XX-034f_9QjVu8VLfz_t4RfIAXUAA;received=192.168.2.254;rport=5060\r\nVia:
>> SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 222.73.177.248:5140;branch=z9hG4bK-2598216935;rport=5140\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\nFrom: \"toshiter\"<sip:[email protected]>;
>> tag=746f7368697465720131343035373735373537\r\nAccept:
>> application/sdp\r\nUser-Agent: friendly-scanner\r\nTo: \"toshiter\"
>> <sip:[email protected]>\r\nContact:
>> <sip:[email protected]:5060;x-sipX-privcontact=24.100.100.100>\r\nCseq:
>> 1 REGISTER\r\nCall-Id: 421959325\r\nMax-Forwards: 19\r\nDate: Sun, 26 Sep
>> 2010 06:59:43 GMT\r\nX-Sipx-Spiral:
>> true\r\n\r\n--------------------END--------------------"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T06:59:45.412930Z":7936:SIP:ERR:sipx.mydomain.com:SipRouter-11:B65BBB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::send
>> outgoing call 1"
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Joegen Baclor
>> *Sent:* Sun 9/26/2010 6:50 PM
>> *To:* Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
>> *Cc:* Tran, Ly V.
>> *Subject:* Re: [sipx-users] Random SipxProxy Problem
>>
>>  Looks like some sort of deadlock on the message queue.   Would you be
>> able to provide the log that shows the last successful transactions up to
>> the point when this error starts appearing?
>>
>> Joegen
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 September, 2010 10:22 PM, Tran, Ly V. wrote:
>>
>> We have a SipX system with the most current build that was upgraded from
>> 4.04.  It runs fine for a few weeks at a time, but ocassionally all the
>> phones stops working and shows up as Expired.  The system has 8Gb of RAM and
>> during normal operation, barely uses 1.2Gb, but when all the phones goes
>> into expiration.. checking RAM usage; it is above 2Gb.  While we don't think
>> this has anything to do with it.  Restarting the SipxProxy service, the
>> phones starts working again and RAM usage drops.  This problem comes up
>> every few weeks.  Sometimes twice a week.  This morning, it happened again
>> for the second time since last Wednesday.
>>
>> Something is causing SipxProxy to fail and can not figure it out.  Does
>> anyone have an idea?  This is what we are seeing.  The alarms shows the
>> following:
>>
>> SPX00002 "Process 'SIPXProxy' stopped unexpectedly. Attempting to restart
>> the process." WARNING 9/26/10 1:59 AM
>>
>> I restart the SipxProxy from the GUI and RAM usage drops back down and all
>> the phones are registering and working again.
>>
>> SipxProxy Log shows alot of these errors during the this time period:
>>
>>
>> "2010-09-26T09:15:24.956486Z":227913:OUTGOING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::sendUdp
>> UDP SIP User Agent sent message:\n----Local Host:192.168.2.2---- Port:
>> 5060----\n----Remote Host:192.168.2.248---- Port: 5060----\nSIP/2.0 100
>> Trying\r\nFrom: 
>> \"Project\"sip:[email protected];tag=94bd83a0-c0a802f8-13c4-4d15a5-645c3fd0-4d15a5\r\nTo:
>> \"Project\"sip:[email protected]\r\ncall-id:
>> [email protected]\r\ncseq:<[email protected]%5cr%5cncseq:>1
>>  REGISTER\r\nVia: SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 192.168.2.248:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-4d15a5-2d1c9008-435ef219\r\nContent-Length:
>> 0\r\n\r\n--------------------END--------------------"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T09:15:25.184203Z":227914:INCOMING:INFO:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"Read
>> SIP message:\n----Local Host:192.168.2.2---- Port: 5060----\n----Remote
>> Host:173.70.144.20---- Port: 5060----\nREGISTER 
>> sip:mydomain.comSIP/2.0\r\nVia: SIP/2.0/UDP 
>> 192.168.8.15:5060;branch=z9hG4bK2f4ea6a2\r\nFrom:
>> sip:[email protected];tag=001da21a482c099824f60b3b-750296f4\r\nTo:
>> sip:[email protected]\r\ncall-id:
>> [email protected]\r\nmax-forwards:<[email protected]%5cr%5cnmax-forwards:>70\r\nCSeq:
>>  636 REGISTER\r\nUser-Agent: Cisco-CP7960G/8.0\r\nContact:
>> sip:[email protected]:5060;transport=udp
>> ;+sip.instance=\"<urn:uuid:00000000-0000-0000-0000-001da21a482c>\";+u.sip!
>> model.ccm.cisco.com=\"7\"\r\nContent-Length: 0\r\nExpires:
>> 3600\r\n\r\n====================END===================="
>>
>> "2010-09-26T09:15:25.184899Z":227915:KERNEL:ERR:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"OsMsgQShared::doSendCore
>> message send failed for queue 'SipRouter-11' - no room, ret = 9"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T09:15:25.185174Z":227916:SIP:CRIT:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::queueMessageToInterestedObservers
>> send failed with status 12 (numMsgs = 2000, maxMsgs = 2000)"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T09:15:25.185194Z":227917:SIP:CRIT:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::queueMessageToInterestedObservers
>> send failed to queue named 'SipRouter-11'"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T09:15:25.185215Z":227918:SIP:CRIT:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::queueMessageToInterestedObservers
>> observerQueue 0x87fc8ac, observerData (nil), SIP method '', wantsRequests 1,
>> wantsResponses 0, wantsIncoming 1, wantsOutGoing 0, eventName '', SipSession
>> (nil)"
>>
>> "2010-09-26T09:15:25.185268Z":227919:SIP:CRIT:sipx.mydomain.com:SipClientUdp-8:B78FCB90:SipXProxy:"SipUserAgent::queueMessageToInterestedObservers
>> failed message is: REGISTER sip:mydomain.com SIP/2.0\r\nVia: SIP/2.0/UDP
>> 192.168.8.15:5060;branch=z9hG4bK2f4ea6a2;received=173.70.144.20;rport=5060\r\nFrom:
>> sip:[email protected];tag=001da21a482c099824f60b3b-750296f4\r\nTo:
>> sip:[email protected]\r\ncall-id:
>> [email protected]\r\nmax-forwards:<[email protected]%5cr%5cnmax-forwards:>70\r\nCseq:
>>  636 REGISTER\r\nUser-Agent: Cisco-CP7960G/8.0\r\nContact:
>> sip:[email protected]:5060;transport=udp
>> ;+sip.instance=\"<urn:uuid:00000000-0000-0000-0000-001da21a482c>\";+u.sip!
>> model.ccm.cisco.com=\"7\"\r\nContent-Length: 0\r\nExpires: 3600\r\nDate:
>> Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:15:25 GMT"
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ly Tran
>>
>>
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