On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Roy Ong <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 17:09 +0800, Tom Goh wrote: > > Please count me in and see my recent post, its rather long winded :) > > > Hi Tom, > > Read your post and since its Sunday morning, I'll try and avoid typing a > long one as well. :P > > I joined LUGS while "the mess" was still on-going. Life was never easy > for the ExCO as we had to deal with a number of issues with the most > important being the clearing of the debts that LUGS had incurred from > some failed event. Clearing the debts was placed on priority. Based on > the last information that I have seen, LUGS should now be debt-free but > I will leave the official word to come from the Treasurer. Add to that, > the messy state of affairs with the Registry of Societies as AGMS and > Annual Returns were not filed for years etc. etc. > > In any case, these are all water under the bridge now. LUGS NEEDS A NEW > EXCO and the problem that I see, which was evident from the first day > that I joined LUGS was the fact that individuals are more active on the > mailing lists than they are in person. As such, all the "traffic", > comments and ideas on the mailing lists are never transcribed into > physical actions. I really wish I had a solution to this but I don't. So > right now, for all the comments (justified or otherwise) made about > LUGS, we just want to see the names being put out on the list. I'll > continue to keep track of it and I *WILL* request and arrange a meeting > and call for an AGM which will officially elect the new LUGS EXCO. > Thereafter the new EXCO can ring in the changes as required and we can > bring in SLMG/FOSA as you and Michael has suggested. > > We need individuals to put down their names whom are willing to serve. > Its simple but we don't see enough names. That's the problem! > > 01. Yong Han (Web) > 02. Billy > 03. Tom Goh > 04. Ray (Web/Graphics/Guardian) > 05. > 06. > 07. > 08. > 09. > 10. > 11. > 12. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Slugnet mailing list > [email protected] > http://wiki.lugs.org.sg/LugsMailingListFaq > http://www.lugs.org.sg/mailman/listinfo/slugnet >
I'm too late to see the glory of LUGS last time, but thinking of paying to join it last time, but unfortunately it's quite a mess. And ya, now things work different from last time. The web community becomes more social, there might be more non-technical joining. Beit LUGS or SLMG, I believe it should not relate to FOSA too much. FOSA should come from all Open Source Community instead of just Linux Community. But as a startup, there might not be much choice. I've attended OpenSolaris Meetup and then they did try to ask people to join. But I don't see the spirit of all groups in doing so. And as a matter of fact, taking a newly started society and also a mess society is the last thing people wish for, as they need to work 2x or more to get the stuff running. Running the whole community is one thing, but the spirit should be there. And there's a need to make the fire grow, and not down once again. Therefore it's a tough job for all. I believe the whole situation now is "wait and see'. People are willing to volunteer, but not willing to be the ones heading the volunteering. The direction, the plan is not clearly visible to all. The system is unstable, just like developer's build. I'm really thinking, maybe the rest are thinking of a clear idea how significant it is, as compared to the current infrastructure of the Linux Community. Current: SLMG TUSG and perhaps others. Revival: A common platform for all Linux Group Job Matchings for all Linux related Course Certifications for all Linux related Common Ground for Linux Community Work Social Platform from all walks of Linux in Singapore Common Activities/Meetups all in one place. Work with the Educational Institutions in Singapore Other than this, other admin stuff. Other than this, there's a need for volunteers, or better still, Sub-Committees, with the current upcoming Exco Structure. Planning and Estimating is the first steps, but whether it's before and after, it's another problem. There might be part 2 if there's not enough people handling. I foreseen a great committment in this, and really not sure I can really commit or not if the proper structure has not come out. Therefore people find it hard to put their names there. Chicken and Egg. Perhaps in other countries, people volunteer first and define and plan later. But in Singapore context, people might need some definition or the scope, think once, think twice and before putting name down. Like in certain case, you put your name down, and just don't want to be the president of the society, but in the end no choice, because people vote, and other positions are filled. And then it's not a good outcome. And for committment, it's uncertainty for different roles. This is why, there are not much people putting names down, even though they are interested. That's why I'm still deciding too. Regards John
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