To all:

Basically where I stand:

I have asked a local ISP (whom I am partnered with) to provide
bandwidth and the financial support of purchasing the equipment/site
rental fee (very low for the high-profile site it is), in exchange for
letting me manage the network, and do all of the customer installations (hence
this is the part will I will get my money's worth in the deal)

I need to provide them with a COMPLETE proposal of this whole thing,
and right now, this is what I am going to propose to them:

(3) SmartBridges AirPoint Pro Outdoor  @ $330.00 ea = $990.00
(3) Maxrad 120 degree beamwidth antenna @ $407.52 ea = $1222.56
(3) LMR-400 4ft jumper coax cable @ $24.00 ea = $72.00
(3) Polyphaser 2.4ghz coaxial lightning protectors @ $35.66 ea = $106.98

This isn't including any routing equipment/UPS power protection/rack
cabinet, cat5 cable, etc...

Has anyone needed to use polyphasers? We use them as a standard where
you have 100-300 foot hardline runs, but in this case, it's ethernet
cable. But I don't feel like climbing up the 300 foot tower to replace
a blown radio either.

This brings me to another point, are SB's products reliable enough
that I won't need to spend my entire life climbing the tower to fix
them or reflash them?

Has anyone had to do the dirty and go up to a huge tower and replace
them?

I plan on mounting the antenna's with a bit of a downtilt, but all at
the top of the 300' tower, because I am looking for long-range
performance. Any methods for calculating downtilt that work good? I've
used my knowledge in the broadcast/radio industry to make my own
calculations, and with the use of ComStudy (an excellent program for
calculating RF propagation)

-- 
Best regards,
Chris Bunting, MCSE
President
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Friday, July 18, 2003, 12:56:37 AM, you wrote:

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BF> Hey Harry take a hike!   A Hotmail address, that's funny!

BF> I started with Alvarion and their tech support sucks, they are arrogant and 
BF> mindless.  SmartBridges has allowed me to expand my business way further 
BF> than I ever could with the products below.  I even received tech support 
BF> calls from Singapore in the early days.  I've been installing SB equipment 
BF> for a year now.  Maybe your real problem is not with SmartBridges at all.

BF> I see a company trying to develop a product for this industry.  The other 
BF> are just developing a product.

BF> Bill


BF> At 08:50 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>>Before you make an investment into any product check out the archives and
>>see what kinds of problems people are having.
>>here's my summary of smartbridges and the future as told with a crystal
>>ball.
>>
>>The problem is the manufacturer didn't really do their homework before
>>selling everyone product. Profit first, get them out the door let the isp
>>find the problem and we'll find a solution.
>>
>>I think it's the same as shovel ware in the software market.
>>
>>At one point in time isp's would only buy radio gear that was proven and
>>reliable.
>>If a manufacturer had as many problems as smartbridges does most isp's would
>>demand heir money back and move on to a different solution. unfortunately
>>it's been reported on this list that you can't get your money back.
>>
>>
>>Today's hype of wireless internet access has isp's jumping on the bandwagon
>>for cheap affordable gear and caught up in the hype by certain manufacturers
>>without any insight into the past.
>>
>>They choose a product by the sales pitch of the reseller or the hype of an
>>email list.
>>
>>Then after they have made a substantial investment into one particular
>>manufacturer's product, they find out it is buggy and like most don't want
>>to admit they made a mistake. Whereas they keep working at it and working at
>>until they loose the customers or even their reputation, I bet they loose
>>their reputation first, customers second and their investment at the same
>>time.
>>Finally after they figure out that they will never make any money from their
>>customers because they have spent so much time fiddling with their equipment
>>that they throw in the towel and succumb to just going back to selling
>>traditional isp services.
>>or all of a sudden cable modems, dsl or even satellite start looking good to
>>the customers who figure out that they will have to make extra room in their
>>home for the isp wireless technician who keeps coming back over and over
>>again to fix the problem and decide maybe they should try dsl by msn or
>>roadrunner cable because their wireless isp's equipment is so UNRELIABLE.
>>
>>Now, it is possible that an isp that wants to do wireless could go with a
>>product that costs a little more upfront but doesn't have the problems of
>>the new razzle dazzle hyped product.
>>A couple of mature seasoned manufacturers who have very few problems and
>>cost a little more to purchase, but less to maintain would be,
>>
>>Alvarion
>>Karlnet
>>Trango
>>Motorola
>>Cisco
>>Proxim
>>Tranzeo
>>Raylink
>>Teletronics
>>Demarctech's reliawave
>>
>>By the way none of these manufacturer's have this much activity on any of
>>their support lists.
>>
>>
>>A good indication to how well the product performs is this email list, read
>>the archives.
>>a second indication is a new revised firmware upgrade with a specific date
>>set before it is ready.
>>Now think about this, July 18th we will release our fix.
>>huh?
>>why not today?
>>because it's not finished
>>how do you know it will be finished tomorrow if it's not finished today?
>>How the heck do they know tomorrow it will be ready if it's not ready today?
>>Because they are psychic?
>>Do they have a fix in place and they have a very very slow person at the
>>keyboard?
>>Or is it just buying time before they get the next wave of it's someone
>>else's problem? ( remember it's not their fault, it's atmel's fault)
>>Guess they didn't test the product for any length of time.
>>
>>
>>Just another isp who was foolish enough to jump on the hype bandwagon and
>>spend 20grand on smartbridge products.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Lancaster Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "phantam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:01 AM
>>Subject: Re[2]: [smartBridges] New Firmware
>>
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Being fairly new to this list, and never buying a product from SB
>> > before, what is this problem you speak about, and what products are
>> > affected? I want to use SB for a new tower installation, have a 300'
>> > tower at my disposal in a highly populated area, and I want to do the
>> > install ASAP.
>> >
>> > Has anyone had problems with the SB equipment, is it something I can
>> > buy into and expect good reliability, etc?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > Chris Bunting, MCSE
>> > President
>> > Cellular: 717-278-6639
>> > Nextel ID: 196*50*18726
>> > --------------------------------------------------------
>> > Proxim Certified Reseller & Installer
>> > --------------------------------------------------------
>> > Lancaster Networks | Lancaster Towers
>> > 1085 Manheim Pike
>> > Lancaster PA 17601
>> > www.lancasternetworks.com
>> > www.lancastertowers.com
>> > --------------------------------------------------------
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