Naw...I figure folks are free to do whatever they want.  Afterall, It's not
MY system.  ;o)  I just dispense advice when it's asked for, and try to
combine my experiences over the years with real world problems, along with
the manufacturer's reccomendations.  If anyone wants to learn a lot about
lightning and surviving its effects, the best suggestion I can offer is read
the Polyphaser white papers on their site....  www.polyphaser.com

Time for bed now..... :o)

JH
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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:37 PM
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [smartBridges] New Firmware


> /me sits back and waits for the fireworks.
> I am sure John will have a nice response to this.
>
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Jason Keller wrote:
> > NEVER EVER bond the shielding to the tower. You are just begging for
> > trouble, Lightning travels the path of least resistance from the ground
> > up. If it is the shielding on your cat5 cable, so be it. When you ground
> > it in several places you are creating a ground loop.  Oh and you can't
> > order them with male connector's they are made in china and you would
> > have to order like a 1000 of them to have special made. I like 3m tape
> > better. The hot-melt stuff is pretty cool. Also have seen people use
> > electrical silicone on the connections they say that it keeps the
> > gaskets from drying out and cracking. ... Jason
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hokenson
> > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:23 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Re[4]: [smartBridges] New Firmware
> >
> > A couple of suggestions to make things happier up on top of the
> > tower....
> >         1.    Use the Polyphaser that has a male on the equipment side
> > and
> > female on the antenna side and screw it directly on the SB AP.
> >         2.    Bond a good ground connection from the Polyphaser to the
> > tower
> > leg--#10 or larger wire--you can order a flat plate from Polyphaser that
> > attaches under the provided locknut to give you two screw holes to
> > attach a
> > double hole crimp lug to it.
> >         3.    Run DB style shielded Cat5 up the tower and bond the
> > shield to
> > the tower at the top, 150' down (middle) and at the bottom where it
> > leaves
> > the tower.
> >         4.    If you are using the maxrad 120* sectors, save yourself
> > some
> > grief and a.  Throw away the lousy tilt mounts they provide...they are
> > aluminum and to not stay in place....we picked up some stainless conduit
> > hangers and stainless 1/4-20 hex bolts and attached them directly to the
> > tower leg, using some spacers on the top hanger to get exactly the
> > correct
> > amount of downtilt we wanted.
> >         5.    Also, make sure you order them with a male N connector so
> > it
> > will attach directly to the female on the Polyphaser.
> >         6.    Lastly, seriously consider putting the antenna, Polyphaser
> > and
> > radio together on the ground--and using 3:1 DB shrink (the kind with hot
> > glue on the inside) to seal the antenna-to-polyphaser and
> > polyphaser-to-radio connections--you'll be glad you did.  Alernatively,
> > I
> > would rather use Scotch self-fusing rubber tape and Scotchkote than
> > rubber
> > tape.  When I use this technique I put 4-5 layers of rubber tape that
> > fuses
> > into a single piece, then three coats of Scotchkote---been doing this
> > over
> > 30 years now and never had it leak.
> >
> > JH
> >
> > PS...you might want to search the archives for my treatese on proper
> > install
> > techniques.
> >
> > PPS...YDI has a nice calculator for setting the downtilt.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:39 PM
> > Subject: RE: Re[4]: [smartBridges] New Firmware
> >
> >
> > > You will need 6 coaxial jumpers (one on each side of the polyphaser)
> > unless
> > > you use the Nfemale-Nmale protector. Add in 6 rolls of 3m 33
> > Electrical
> > tape
> > > ($2.50ea) as well as a can of 3m liquid electrical tape ($10-20).
> > Don't
> > > skimp on the weatherproofing! You will need an enclosure at the base
> > of
> > the
> > > tower (unless there is a building) to put the power supplies, router,
> > > powerShot, etc... .
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:33 AM
> > > To: Bill Flood
> > > Subject: Re[4]: [smartBridges] New Firmware
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Lancaster Networks wrote:
> > > > I need to provide them with a COMPLETE proposal of this whole thing,
> > > > and right now, this is what I am going to propose to them:
> > > >
> > > > (3) SmartBridges AirPoint Pro Outdoor  @ $330.00 ea = $990.00
> > > > (3) Maxrad 120 degree beamwidth antenna @ $407.52 ea = $1222.56
> > > > (3) LMR-400 4ft jumper coax cable @ $24.00 ea = $72.00
> > > > (3) Polyphaser 2.4ghz coaxial lightning protectors @ $35.66 ea =
> > > > $106.98
> > >
> > > Looks good.
> > >
> > > > Has anyone needed to use polyphasers? We use them as a standard
> > where
> > > > you have 100-300 foot hardline runs, but in this case, it's ethernet
> > > > cable. But I don't feel like climbing up the 300 foot tower to
> > replace
> > > > a blown radio either.
> > >
> > > Polyphasers rock. But you know this already. Put a Coax protector on
> > the N
> > > connector at the radio, and run your antennas pigtail off of that. Be
> > sure
> > > to ground the polyphaser well. The SmartBridges use a plastic case, so
> > you
> > > can't ground em. Once the ethernet comes inside, put a Polyphaser
> > IS-T1
> > > protector on the ethernet. They make a three port model, would be
> > perfect
> > > for you. Bear in mind you will need to protect the PoE seperately. The
> > IS-T1
> > > only protects two pairs. (Or 2 pairs X 3 ports on the IS-3T1)
> > >
> > > > This brings me to another point, are SB's products reliable enough
> > > > that I won't need to spend my entire life climbing the tower to fix
> > > > them or reflash them? them?
> > >
> > > There are no serial ports on the units, and you can reset the
> > configuration
> > > from the power injector, so I don't see why you would need to climb,
> > except
> > > to replace the entire radio. My APs are all Cisco or Trango, never
> > used
> > > SmartBridges anywhere other than a CPE. Not sure if I would trust
> > them.
> > >
> > > > I plan on mounting the antenna's with a bit of a downtilt, but all
> > at
> > > > the top of the 300' tower, because I am looking for long-range
> > > > performance. Any methods for calculating downtilt that work good?
> > I've
> > > > used my knowledge in the broadcast/radio industry to make my own
> > > > calculations, and with the use of ComStudy (an excellent program for
> > > > calculating RF propagation)
> > >
> > > YDI (www.ydi.com) has a number of javascript forms that will do all
> > the
> > > common calculations for you. Check em out.
> > >
> > > Jeremy
> > > (Fromer Lancasterite)
>
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