You might consider using the indoor AirPoint....it's not suffering from
these issues. As I recall you want to go on a 300' tower. Consider this
option:
Use the uP controlled amps that have tunable filters built in and mount the
panel antennas and amps w/polyphasers on the antenna and radio side up on
the tower, then run 325' of LMR900 from each amp down to the radio building
with another Polyphaser where the coax enters the building. This way you
can change out the radio at any time without climbing the tower. The gain
in the amps will make up the 9.6dB loss in the coax.
3 amps ~$1200
9 Polyphasers ~$360
3 Maxrad sectors $1170
1000' LMR900DB $2500
6 LMR900 Connectors $175
3 N female to rev SMA pigtails $75
UPS to run radios & DSL router $200
Misc. Hardware to complete install ~$200
Probably into this whole thing $6K or less and it's just done with a working
system. I seem to recall you were using DSL as a backhaul.
JH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lancaster Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "John Hokenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 11:10 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> Hello,
>
> Ok, here's a jam now...
>
> I need to have a proposal ready for VP of a 786 employee ISP by
> Monday, and I can't screw this up! What equipment do you recommend?
>
> Looks like SB aren't a choice unless they get their problems fixed and
> stop testing them on consumers
>
> Sunday, July 20, 2003, 1:37:56 AM, you wrote:
>
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> JH> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new
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>
> JH> My rep at Tessco is making noises about dropping them.
>
> JH> JH
> JH> ----- Original Message -----
> JH> From: "Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> JH> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> JH> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:10 PM
> JH> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new
firmware?
>
>
> >> My concern is that with all we've invested in these products (and I
really
> >> like them) distributors might start to drop them. Think about it, if
you
> >> were Ecomm would you want all this hassle?
> >>
> >> I would rather SB recall or at least put a hold on all shipments until
> JH> they
> >> get this issue fixed. I would rather use another CPE product that
works
> JH> so
> >> I don't look like a dumb a** to my clients by using beta products that
> >> simply aren't yet ready.
> >>
> >> I would switch back to SB as soon as the units are again working.
> >>
> >> Ray
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Martin Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> >>
> >>
> >> > I would agree with that!
> >> > I did not catch what Dist they were getting them from? I get mine
from
> >> ECOMM
> >> > and they have been pretty good for the most part. I dont like the
idea
> JH> of
> >> > having a bad unit and they charge your card for the repalcement ahead
of
> >> time
> >> > then refund you when they get the non working one back??? Seems
> JH> backwards
> >> to me
> >> > I pitched a fit and got them to send me an APPO in advance exchange
liek
> >> their
> >> > warranty clearly states without being charged 1st then charge me if I
> JH> dont
> >> send
> >> > it back within 10 days. This was after I ordered two new APPO's and
one
> JH> I
> >> > recieved was a used unit sent back for repair!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Quoting Eje Gustafsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >
> >> > > shrug.. Now I am going to shock this entirely list by finally
agreeing
> >> > > with Chris.. Can't agree more with what you just said.
> >> > >
> >> > > If they all where bad out of the box or a lot of them where bad out
of
> >> > > the box it's the distributor/resellers problem not the
manufacturers
> >> > > if teh distributor or reseller don't want to work with you you
might
> >> > > try to resolve it with the manufacturer if someone gets sued it
should
> >> > > be the dist not the manufacturer. The manufacturer will not give
you a
> >> > > refund. They sold the unit for say $10 and you purchased it for $20
> >> > > from the dist so should the manufacturer give you a refund for $20
and
> >> > > lose $10 ??? Come on I think not. If someone should give you a
refund
> >> > > it's the dist. However if the dist will not work it out then the
> >> > > manufacturer can give you a working replacement.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best regards,
> >> > > Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.com
> >> > > Phone : 620-231-7777 Fax : 620-231-4066
> >> > > - Your Full Time Professionals -
> >> > > eBay UserID : macahan
> >> > > ---
> >> > > searchable smartBridges mailing list archive.
> >> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/smartbridges40part-15.org/
> >> > > --
> >> > > p> Ok T n T
> >> > >
> >> > > p> WOW Talk about a drastic calling for attention in my view, most
of
> >> the
> >> > > p> people on the board are working on resolving problems and your
> >> response
> >> > > toa
> >> > > p> firmware issue is that they are advertised as carrier class and
> JH> that
> >> > > they
> >> > > p> don't offer cash refunds? Umm does cisco or lucent? If so I'd
> JH> gladly
> >> like
> >> > > to
> >> > > p> get my money back on some AP1000's or CPE Ethernet Converters
and a
> >> few
> >> > > p> cisco 350's. A class action suit? Really I have yet to hear
anyone
> >> that
> >> > > is
> >> > > p> pissed at the fact that they only exchange units in a timely
manner
> >> and
> >> > > wont
> >> > > p> give them there cash back? Personally I don't recall many groups
> JH> that
> >> > > will
> >> > > p> do cash refunds from the primary company isn't this a point to
deal
> >> with
> >> > > p> your SUPPLIER if you feel you need to return goods cause you
don't
> >> want
> >> > > p> them.
> >> > >
> >> > > p> As far as I can tell in the past SB has stood behind there
problems
> >> > > p> including phone calls from half way across the world at 10am to
> JH> help
> >> > > solve
> >> > > p> MANY users problems in a one on one basis, they take suggestions
> JH> and
> >> work
> >> > > to
> >> > > p> help mold there product. Really you have invested 6,000$ wow I
have
> >> > > spent
> >> > > p> over 25,000 upgrading my network with SB's powering it and i
have
> JH> yet
> >> to
> >> > > p> find a reason to neglect the funds spent.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > p> AS A NOTE IT SAYS
> >> > >
> >> > > p> DOA Products must be returned in original condition, and the
return
> >> box
> >> > > must
> >> > > p> include all components and originally packaged with the product,
> >> > > including
> >> > > p> cable, software, manual, etc. You must obtain an RMA number
before
> >> you
> >> > > p> return any defective or DOA products.
> >> > >
> >> > > p> REQUIRES ORIGINAL BOX ON DOA UNITS... DOA MEANS DEAD ON ARRIVAL
> JH> HENCE
> >> > > YOU
> >> > > p> JUST GOT IT SO THEY WANT IT BACK HOW THEY SENT IT SINCE IT WAS
DEAD
> >> AS
> >> > > SOON
> >> > > p> AS YOU GOT IT.
> >> > >
> >> > > p> As for the returning on a one to one basis it is not FINE PRINT
it
> JH> is
> >> > > p> blatantly shown in Standard Sized text under the warranty
> JH> conditions.
> >> > > Not
> >> > > p> like they used size 1 font to try to hide it from you.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > p> Sorry if I'm being a di*k but this is just my take on your
comment.
> >> > >
> >> > > p> Chris
> >> > > p> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > p> From: Tom & Toni Maris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > p> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:44 PM
> >> > > p> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >
> >> > > p> My husband Tom is very pissed. We have invested more than
> JH> $6,000.00
> >> in
> >> > > this
> >> > >
> >> > > p> gear and we are constantly having prtoblems.
> >> > > p> On their web site thwy claim to be Carrier Class. Now we read
the
> >> fine
> >> > > print
> >> > >
> >> > > p> on the rmapage and it says they will not give refund just
> JH> replacement
> >> > > units
> >> > > p> and that you have to have the original box!
> >> > > p> Original box, replacement unit's, no refunds, Carrier class.
> >> > > p> This SmartBridges company certainly does not sound like an
honest
> >> > > company.
> >> > > p> First I would like to know where they get off saying anything
about
> >> > > Carrier
> >> > > p> class.
> >> > > p> Then if they are so sure about their Carrier class junk, why do
you
> >> need
> >> > > an
> >> > > p> original box to sned them back, and why don't they do refunds?
> >> > >
> >> > > p> Tom, has been talking about a lawsuite to make this Smartbridge
> >> company
> >> > > p> stand behind their products or give everyone their money back.
He
> >> thinks
> >> > >
> >> > > p> that their is probably enough people like us who got ripped off
to
> >> get a
> >> > >
> >> > > p> class action lawsuite against the company who sold us this pile
of
> >> junk
> >> > >
> >> > > p> Very very disapointed
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > p> T n T
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >>From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > >>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new
> >> firmware?
> >> > > >>Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:03:47 -0700
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Okay so it appears I am not the only one having the problem here
We
> >> hav
> >> > > >>users at begining at 3.5 miles and some as far as 7.2 miles the
last
> >> > > >>revision 0.01.06 just will not associate to any of my APS I had
> >> sugested
> >> > > >>there is something going on here and I am finally able to get on
> JH> this
> >> > > list
> >> > > >>and post only to see what I have been telling support since last
> JH> week
> >> > > >>before
> >> > > >>the release only to be told its been working well in the "LAB"
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Here is my post from another forum these things need to be tested
in
> JH> a
> >> > > >>consistant manor not just really close up.
> >> > > >>1. Measure signal at 1, 2, 3, 4,5 ,6 and 7 miles if possible
> >> > > >>2. At each point do some speed tests to confirm it is working and
> JH> how
> >> > > well
> >> > > >>or how bad as you can see at some ares out we get association but
> >> speeds
> >> > > >>are
> >> > > >>WAY down.
> >> > > >>These are only 2 that need to be added to the list of testing
before
> >> ANY
> >> > > >>final revision is released to save time and nerves of those of us
in
> >> the
> >> > > >>field!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>I keep asking what is the closest and farthest they have been
tested
> >> in
> >> > > the
> >> > > >>"LAB" and I have yet to get an answer? is this something that is
a
> >> > > secret??
> >> > > >>I too am not going to change firmware on the APPOS that are
working
> >> rock
> >> > > >>solid and have ALL my customers down.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> We have tried it (ver 0.01.06 rev 3 final release )and I have
seen
> >> > > >>problems
> >> > > >>but to be fair we still need to identify if this firmware is
> >> compatible
> >> > > >>with
> >> > > >>the OLD atmel chip they had. We tried this new firmware on the
only
> >> radio
> >> > >
> >> > > >>we
> >> > > >>have left since the other 2 locked up hardcore and are now
doorstops
> >> > > after
> >> > > >>doing firmware upgrades with rev 2 & rev 3 just before the final
> >> release.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Here is what we found after 3 hours of testing and we found the
same
> >> > > thing
> >> > > >>on rev 2
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>I don't how you guys feel about it and maybe this firmware is not
> >> > > >>compatible
> >> > > >>with the old good atmel chip per say.
> >> > > >>The two test radios that locked up we just bought less then a
month
> >> ago so
> >> > >
> >> > > >>I
> >> > > >>can only assume they had the problem. Unless they can come up
with a
> >> way
> >> > > to
> >> > > >>positively identify which units are suspect with the suspect
chip.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>I suggest you do the same tests with a spare radio that you can
> JH> afford
> >> to
> >> > > >>lose if the firmware upgrade goes bad. Basically what happens is
the
> >> > > radio
> >> > > >>locks up and it no longer gives an Ethernet connection to log
into
> JH> the
> >> > > >>radio, the power and wireless light stay on solid and you no
longer
> >> get a
> >> > > >>LAN connection or light many times I was told to reset and don't
see
> >> how
> >> > > >>that would work since that just resets passwords and the IP
address
> >> etc
> >> > > but
> >> > > >>I tried 20 times anyways they even sent me a utility to unlock it
> JH> but
> >> > > that
> >> > > >>was useless because you need a network connection to the radio
> JH> hahaha.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Anyways in a nut shell the firmware after testing as you can see
in
> >> our
> >> > > >>notes does not work for us yet Smart bridges claims it works well
in
> >> the
> >> > > >>lab
> >> > > >>and others have tested as well which I would like to know how far
> JH> away
> >> > > they
> >> > > >>tested the radio.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>1. ver 0.01.04 loaded originally on this unit and at 3.5 miles we
> >> > > associate
> >> > > >>fine and get download speeds in 900kbps to 1.2 megs
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>2. Loaded ver 0.01.06 final rev into radio it loads fine and at
same
> >> 3.5
> >> > > >>mile location we get not even half the speeds we did with rev
> JH> 0.01.04
> >> we
> >> > > >>get
> >> > > >>200kbps to 300kbps at most and have lots of packet loss.
> >> > > >>RSSI 85% and signal quality 90-95% with both firmware.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>3. Moved to 5 mile location ran same speed tests with firmware
> JH> 0.01.04
> >> > > get
> >> > > >>speeds of 800kbps consistently loaded ver 0.01.06 final revision
and
> >> we
> >> > > >>associate but thats it radio will not ping APPO on tower but we
can
> >> ping
> >> > > >>ABO
> >> > > >>radio with new firmware. RSSI 80% signal quality 80% with both
> >> firmware.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>So as you can see this firmware will not work for us. I don't
> >> understand
> >> > > >>what happened it seems that this is now possibly a timing issue?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>The only question I have is will version 0.01.06 work on old
radios
> >> with
> >> > > >>old
> >> > > >>atmel chip? and if not then we will proceed further to load the
> >> 0.01.06
> >> > > on
> >> > > >>clients radios but once again we have no way of telling which
radios
> >> have
> >> > > >>new or old atmel chip?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Our coverage area begins at 3.5 miles and runs
> >> > > >>out to 7.2 miles.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >>From: "Colorado Wisp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > >>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:18 PM
> >> > > >>Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new
> >> firmware?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Nish,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>We updated several of one of our "overheating" units this morning
> JH> and
> >> it
> >> > > >>will not associate with our APs running 1.4j.5. We have no plans
to
> >> > > update
> >> > > >>the firmware on the APs, they have been rock solid. Is there
going
> JH> to
> >> be
> >> > > >>firmware that will interact this firmware version?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Chris
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>---
> >> > > >>Colorado WISP llc. http://www.cowisp.net
> >> > > >>Bringing high speed internet to rural communities.
> >> > > >>P.O. Box 55
> >> > > >>Wellington, Colorado 80549
> >> > > >>970-218-5295
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > >>On Behalf Of Nish Park
> >> > > >>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:49 AM
> >> > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > >>Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new
> >> firmware?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Tim,
> >> > > >>Can you please elaborate a little more on this "still doing the
same
> >> > > >>thing!". What was the problem, new unit (June or July purchase?),
> JH> RSSI
> >> > > and
> >> > > >>LQ values, Brand of AP?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>We have confirmed that the problem of loosing association at
> JH> elevated
> >> > > >>temperature has been solved. This has been the focus of all our
> >> efforts
> >> > > and
> >> > > >>we are quire confident that issue no longer exist. Now we will be
> >> > > focusing
> >> > > >>on testing if there has been any other side effects.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >From some of the emails it appears that some of you are trying
to
> >> see
> >> > > >> >if
> >> > > >>the new F/W also fixes the old/lingering problem of "periodic
> JH> lockup".
> >> I
> >> > > >>will be pleasantly surprised to hear that it does, but that has
not
> >> been
> >> > > >>the
> >> > > >>focus of the current activity on hand.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Thanks for your support.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Nish
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > >>On Behalf Of Tim Harris
> >> > > >>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> > > >>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >> > > >>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new
> >> firmware?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Yep, I installed it this afternoon on a client's unit. Had to
> JH> unplug
> >> it
> >> > > to
> >> > > >>get it to start working after uploading the new firmware.
Started
> >> > > working
> >> > > >>fine.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Customer called back an hour later and left two messages, still
> JH> doing
> >> the
> >> > > >>same thing!
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>If it smells like it, if it looks like it........
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Hmm, maybe the guy with the Hotmail address might have a point.
> JH> This
> >> > > seems
> >> > > >>to be getting ridiculous.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>I'm doing two more tomorrow morning, I'll post a response then..
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Tim Harris, Operations
> >> > > >>www.dwisp.net
> >> > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >>From: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > >>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:09 AM
> >> > > >>Subject: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new
firmware?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > Has anyone installed the new firmware? I'm getting ready to
try,
> >> but
> >> > > >> > wanted to check first to see what sort of luck others have
had.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Thanks
> >> > > >> > Sam
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
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