I guess we won't really know until someone steps up to the plate to
check it out. We all know who that SHOULD be....... But apparently
nobody has looked at it as a possibility!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The 
> Wirefree Network
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB
> 
> 
> This goes back to my question a while back.  What exactly did 
> the "firmware fix" do??  Did it slow down the processor, to 
> reduce the heat related issue, thereby increasing the lost 
> association problem on older "good" units?
> 
> Remember...they did initially tell us NOT to load this 
> firmware on units that weren't exhibiting the symptoms.
> 
> FLASHBACK: Let's say you are 60 clicks inside IRAQ with SCUDS 
> whizzing over your head and your second in command (good 
> buddy) is showing signs of Nerve Agent.  You make a command 
> decision to jam him in the thigh with his atropine injector 
> antidote and it is (seconds) later determined that it was 
> just a nervous breakdown (or whatever). DEAD....
> ****sigh*****
> 
> Whoa...where'd that come from.....
> 
> In other words, without the opposing force, you push it back too far.
> 
> I think the firmware upgrade SUCKS!  Just my opinion.
> 
> Sully
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB
> 
> Has anyone tried any new units with "bad chips" with old 
> firmware simplemonitor 1.40? 
> 
> I have two "old" units that came with 1.4 (purchased Feb 
> 2003). Access point mode worked fine. Then I used them as 
> wireless bridges for months.
> 
> I upgraded to 1.5 and switched back to access point mode on 
> one unit (client bridge on the other). The ethernet started 
> having the problem of crapping out on me. I then upgraded to 
> 1.6. Same problem. I confirmed the units still worked in 
> wireless bridge mode - no issues. I used a new aP Total to 
> test out as an access point using 1.6, with both aPPOs as 
> clients with 1.6, and the problem went away, so I have 
> isolated the problem to these two old aPPOs in access point 
> mode using upgraded firmware.
> 
> What I suspect is that they will work again with the old 1.40 
> simplemonitor firmware in access point mode. Unfortunately, I 
> am not going to try because I have reached the breaking 
> point, and finally settled on a PtMP setup that I can't bring 
> down for any more diagnostics. It has cost me too much time 
> and money, and I am stable now.
> 
> I would be very curious to find out if the new units (that 
> presumably shipped with 1.5, then were upgraded to 1.6) would 
> work with 1.4. Has anyone even tried this? Why would my "old" 
> units work with 1.4, then not with 1.5 or 1.6?
> 
> Jason
> 
> P.S. I guess you'd call my current state of mind "Curious 
> Indifference"
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Bounds
> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:22 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB
> > 
> > 
> > Gloria,
> > 
> > I'm going up on a roof right now to replace an APPO that
> > crapped out (read: won't pass traffic) after being up just 
> > two weeks. I'm not hopeful however, because my only spare 
> > came from the same batch. It too, will likely behave the same.
> > 
> > SB, you really screwed the pooch on this one by not recalling
> > the entire run of bad units. Gloria, the problem is the radios.
> > 
> > Bobby Bounds
> > Airwave Internet, LLC
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gloria Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB
> > 
> > 
> > > Can you tell me where to find the list of MAC addresses
> > that are being
> > > recalled?  I am working on my RMAs now and I have a feeling
> > that all
> > > five
> > of
> > > the units I have are from the same batch.  When I asked
> > them how many
> > > of
> > my
> > > units to RMA, they said it was up to me and my "comfort level".  I
> > > don't want to bash SB either - it is counter productive, 
> > and they are
> > > being very supportive in trying to help.  But at the same time, I
> > > agree with you that it would have been more cost 
> effective to have 
> > > just recalled and replaced all the units that were suspect 
> > and saved
> > > themselves a lot of bad
> > publicity
> > > and us a lot of lost revenue.
> > >
> > > I have had it pointed out to me from several different
> > sources on this
> > list
> > > that the problem is more than likely not with the
> > airPoints, that is
> > > probably a power issue or an environmental issue.  I am not ruling
> > > that
> > out
> > > completely, and am continuing to investigate all
> > possibilities.  But
> > > if it were something that we did wrong in our design and
> > installation,
> > > why is my Trango backhaul working perfectly using the same power
> > > source, the same cabling, the same switch, in the same 
> temperature 
> > > environment?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gloria
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:47 PM
> > > Subject: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am feeling a bit guilty for hammering sB so badly...but it is
> > > > there fault after all.  They could have resolved this a 
> long time 
> > > > ago.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the explanation as given to me from them (simplified
> > > > version): In June there were 2 production lines putting 
> > together sB
> > > > equipment. One with bad chips, one with good chips.  My
> > use of "bad
> > > > chips" is my own.  They call it "timing issue" chips.
> > > >
> > > > Prior to getting stamped with MAC addresses, the units
> > are brought
> > > > back together on one line and stamped.  Therefore, there
> > is NO way
> > > > to say exactly which units have the "bad chips".
> > > >
> > > > This is why sB is not recalling the entire series of MAC
> > > > addresses...there are a bunch of good ones mixed in 
> there as well.
> > > >
> > > > You may be thinking the same thing I am right 
> now....hmmmm....why
> > > > wouldn't they just go ahead and recall the whole batch??  
> > Hindsight,
> > > > they would probably have saved a lot of money in lost
> > revenue from
> > > > the bad publicity.  And it would have MOST definitely
> > saved us a TON
> > > > of money, and therefore retained their good reputation from us.
> > > >
> > > > Bottomline:  They are doing direct RMA's for all the bad
> > June/July
> > > > units.  Just talk to them.  We are all bitching for good
> > > > reason...but just do the RMA.  It is all we can do.  Then 
> > hope they
> > > > are really sending us good stuff this time.
> > > >
> > > > Sully
> > > >
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