Nish, I would call it a diagnostic step towards figuring out your problems. If you aren't willing to consider every possibility, the only pollution will be your faulty hardware, sitting in a landfill as your company goes down in shame.
Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nish Park > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB > > > > This is irrelevant speculation. Just adding to the noise > pollution on this forum. > > Nish > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 4:21 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB > > I guess we won't really know until someone steps up to the > plate to check it out. We all know who that SHOULD be....... > But apparently nobody has looked at it as a possibility! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wirefree > > Network > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:16 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB > > > > > > This goes back to my question a while back. What exactly did the > > "firmware fix" do?? Did it slow down the processor, to reduce the > > heat related issue, thereby increasing the lost association problem > > on older "good" units? > > > > Remember...they did initially tell us NOT to load this firmware on > > units that weren't exhibiting the symptoms. > > > > FLASHBACK: Let's say you are 60 clicks inside IRAQ with SCUDS > > whizzing over your head and your second in command (good > > buddy) is showing signs of Nerve Agent. You make a command > > decision to jam him in the thigh with his atropine injector > > antidote and it is (seconds) later determined that it was > > just a nervous breakdown (or whatever). DEAD.... > > ****sigh***** > > > > Whoa...where'd that come from..... > > > > In other words, without the opposing force, you push it > back too far. > > > > I think the firmware upgrade SUCKS! Just my opinion. > > > > Sully > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 12:56 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB > > > > Has anyone tried any new units with "bad chips" with old firmware > > simplemonitor 1.40? > > > > I have two "old" units that came with 1.4 (purchased Feb 2003). > > Access point mode worked fine. Then I used them as wireless bridges > > for months. > > > > I upgraded to 1.5 and switched back to access point mode on one unit > > (client bridge on the other). The ethernet started having the > > problem of crapping out on me. I then upgraded to 1.6. Same problem. > > I confirmed the units still worked in wireless bridge mode - no > > issues. I used a new aP Total to test out as an access point using > > 1.6, with both aPPOs as clients with 1.6, and the problem went away, > > so I have isolated the problem to these two old aPPOs in access > > point mode using upgraded firmware. > > > > What I suspect is that they will work again with the old 1.40 > > simplemonitor firmware in access point mode. Unfortunately, I am not > > going to try because I have reached the breaking point, and finally > > settled on a PtMP setup that I can't bring down for any more > > diagnostics. It has cost me too much time and money, and I am stable > > now. > > > > I would be very curious to find out if the new units (that > > presumably shipped with 1.5, then were upgraded to 1.6) would work > > with 1.4. Has anyone even tried this? Why would my "old" units work > > with 1.4, then not with 1.5 or 1.6? > > > > Jason > > > > P.S. I guess you'd call my current state of mind "Curious > > Indifference" > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Bounds > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:22 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB > > > > > > > > > Gloria, > > > > > > I'm going up on a roof right now to replace an APPO that > crapped out > > > (read: won't pass traffic) after being up just two weeks. I'm not > > > hopeful however, because my only spare came from the same > batch. It > > > too, will likely behave the same. > > > > > > SB, you really screwed the pooch on this one by not recalling the > > > entire run of bad units. Gloria, the problem is the radios. > > > > > > Bobby Bounds > > > Airwave Internet, LLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gloria Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me where to find the list of MAC addresses > > > that are being > > > > recalled? I am working on my RMAs now and I have a feeling > > > that all > > > > five > > > of > > > > the units I have are from the same batch. When I asked > > > them how many > > > > of > > > my > > > > units to RMA, they said it was up to me and my "comfort > level". I > > > > don't want to bash SB either - it is counter productive, > > > and they are > > > > being very supportive in trying to help. But at the > same time, I > > > > agree with you that it would have been more cost > > effective to have > > > > just recalled and replaced all the units that were suspect > > > and saved > > > > themselves a lot of bad > > > publicity > > > > and us a lot of lost revenue. > > > > > > > > I have had it pointed out to me from several different > > > sources on this > > > list > > > > that the problem is more than likely not with the > > > airPoints, that is > > > > probably a power issue or an environmental issue. I am > not ruling > > > > that > > > out > > > > completely, and am continuing to investigate all > > > possibilities. But > > > > if it were something that we did wrong in our design and > > > installation, > > > > why is my Trango backhaul working perfectly using the > same power > > > > source, the same cabling, the same switch, in the same > > temperature > > > > environment? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:47 PM > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Sticking up for sB > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am feeling a bit guilty for hammering sB so > badly...but it is > > > > > there fault after all. They could have resolved this a > > long time > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > > > Here is the explanation as given to me from them (simplified > > > > > version): In June there were 2 production lines putting > > > together sB > > > > > equipment. One with bad chips, one with good chips. My > > > use of "bad > > > > > chips" is my own. They call it "timing issue" chips. > > > > > > > > > > Prior to getting stamped with MAC addresses, the units > > > are brought > > > > > back together on one line and stamped. Therefore, there > > > is NO way > > > > > to say exactly which units have the "bad chips". > > > > > > > > > > This is why sB is not recalling the entire series of MAC > > > > > addresses...there are a bunch of good ones mixed in > > there as well. > > > > > > > > > > You may be thinking the same thing I am right > > now....hmmmm....why > > > > > wouldn't they just go ahead and recall the whole batch?? > > > Hindsight, > > > > > they would probably have saved a lot of money in lost > > > revenue from > > > > > the bad publicity. And it would have MOST definitely > > > saved us a TON > > > > > of money, and therefore retained their good > reputation from us. > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: They are doing direct RMA's for all the bad > > > June/July > > > > > units. Just talk to them. We are all bitching for good > > > > > reason...but just do the RMA. It is all we can do. Then > > > hope they > > > > > are really sending us good stuff this time. > > > > > > > > > > Sully > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body > type subscribe > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type > > > unsubscribe > > > > smartBridges) > > > > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type > > unsubscribe > > > smartBridges) > > > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type > subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
