What happens when a customer has multiple PC's and no router and just a hub and you give them multiple public IP's? I know there are a few people out there doing this? I think they should all have some kind of router..
----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? Agreed. Doesn't really make sense why it should fail, normally when a device changes MAC address - the ARP table is updated to reflect this change, usually you get a notifaction (in *NIX) that it thought that IP X was associated to MAC Y, but now it appears IP X is associated with MAC Z, but that's it. Seemlessly makes the changes, which makes sense as in DHCP'd enviroments the same IP could be linked to loads of different MAC's over time. It may just be going nuts or something, and failing to update or partially updating the ARP table with the new IP, so all packets get directed to either the old MAC, or into a totally invalid address? Maybe it's all stemming from this 64MACS-->1IP Mapping, maybe it would be nice to have the option to forcefully limit the device to only ever have one MAC associated with an IP - just like cable modems. That way, the client can either connect only 1 PC to the smartBridge, or one router to share the connection - and it alleviates any confustion in the mapping issues. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > Jack thats a good idea but I think we need to prevent this from happing at > all? makes no sense to have an arp cache flush button that means the > customer will still be down and you will have to log into the radio and > "flush the arp cache"? unless I don't understand the reply.. > > > Thanks.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Berridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > It would be great to be able to view the ARP Cache, to flush an > individual ARP entry or to flush the entire ARP Cache. Most vendors > give you this capability so I'm not sure why we don't have the ability > with the Smartbridges. > > > On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:08:07 -0800 > "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I brought up the issue of it being an internal arp cache or > > something in the > > ABO but never heard back or missed the reply HEHE > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "shoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > You may be onto something. Could the sB somehow be caching the IP > > of the > > downstream unit, even if its off? Therefore, when the downstream > > unit > > turns on and it tries to gets an IP from the DHCP server, the cache > > of > > the "stayed alive" AirBridge is preventing it from doing so since > > its > > IP's don't match it internal IP/MAC cache? (remember the caching AB > > does)? Just a thought. Crazy though huh? (from what I remember sB > > stated the cache is refreshed like every 15 minutes or so?? > > > > Scott > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sevak Avakians <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 21 Nov 2003 16:37:07 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I wonder if this is the same problem I've experienced and found > > >what > > > the > > > issue is (at least in my case). For some reason, if a computer is > > >off > > > or after DHCP lease time has expired, getting a new DHCP lease from > > >the > > > wireless network's router is a pain in the @ss. Usually, I either > > >have > > > customers reboot their computers AND airBridges or if it's too many > > > customers I just unplug the router and replug it back in. Had the > > >same > > > problem this morning after exactly 24 days of continuously running > > > without a hitch since last DHCP lease was given to 3 customers, all > > >3 > > > reported problems getting online. Sure enough, their lease had > > >expired > > > (I've set it to 24 days which is the max) and their computers were > > >not > > > picking up the new lease. > > > > > > I had this problem before with the airBridges, but I set all the > > > airBridges to static IP and haven't had any issues with those. > > > Always > > > associated...no problems especially for airBridges connected to > > > customer > > > routers with static IPs on the routers, too. > > > > > > What do you think? Could this be the same thing you're > > >experiencing? > > > I'm using Linksys routers. > > > > > > Sevak > > > > > > On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 16:17, shoffman wrote: > > > > > > > Patrick, > > > > > > > > As someone plagued with issues on SB equipment over the summer, I > > > HIGHLY > > > > recommend you go to 1.08 AND burn in your config (using > > >simpledeploy) > > > as > > > > your default setting.. Just doing 1.08 has decrease our troubles > > >by > > > > about 70%. Going to long Preamble has decreased issues by > > >another > > > 15%. > > > > Burning in the config has about made our problems disappear. I > > >DO > > > ping > > > > all my units though. > > > > > > > > As I stated, this has become a monitoring tool, and I dare not > > >turn > > > it > > > > off just to "find out" if problems arise. Only calls we get now > > >are > > > > from normal network issues (My mail won't work) or from units we > > >have > > > not > > > > visited to burn in the default config.. > > > > > > > > I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS REMOTE FOR AIRBRIDGED PRODUCTS I > > >can > > > see > > > > SB's stance for this on AP's but not for CPE's... let the > > >customer > > > change > > > > their settings and burn them in.. its not like the unit has > > >bandwidth > > > > control or something.. and even if it did, if we see a password > > > change we > > > > will just remove its MAC from authorization! SB please > > >reconsider!!! > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:52:58 -0500 > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > > > > I have not upgraded to 1.08 because I figure what is the point? > > > There > > > > > has yet to be a firmware upgrade that hasn't had some sort of > > >an > > > issue. > > > > > But anyways, what I have noticed with the airbridges that stop > > > > > responding, is that they work great for 1-2 months flawlessly, > > >then > > > all > > > > > of a sudden, they begin having problems, usually many times a > > >day. > > > I go > > > > > to the customer location, upgrade the firmware and we seem to > > >be > > > good. > > > > > My biggest complaint is that if the unit is bad, then why > > >doesn't > > > it > > > > > have a problem in the beginning. I have not changed the APPO > > > firmware > > > > > since day one of installing them so that is not the problem. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Seeni Mohamed > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:28 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The behavior of the airbridge firmware is that when there is > > >no > > > > > traffic passed for the certain period, the airbridge becomes > > >idle > > > but > > > > > the LINK STATUS shows that it is REMAIN associated. Once the > > > traffic > > > > > (browsing, ping or any application) is kicked in, then it will > > >wake > > > up > > > > > again and start talking to the access point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since watchdog feature firmware continuously monitoring the > > >link > > > at > > > > > every 3 minutes interval which will make sure that the LINK > > >STATUS > > > is > > > > > up all the times and it is not necessary to run continuous PING > > >to > > > wake > > > > > up the unit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have done all my best effort to reproduce it here, but I > > >always > > > > > failed to reproduce it in our LAB setup. The LAB setup done > > >with > > > > > airbridge 0.01.08 which is connected to the Linksys switch and > > >3 > > > more > > > > > PCs are connected behind the switch, No traffic pass thru and > > >it > > > was > > > > > running for about 3 days during the weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After 3 days, we logged into the unit, can browse and Ping to > > >the > > > > > gateway without having any power reset. We have tried by > > >manually > > > power > > > > > OFF the AP (to check the aB reset) for certain period and then > > >ON > > > back > > > > > again and still airbridge passes the traffic again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you are seeing the Ethernet lockup with our BETA > > >0.01.08, > > > can > > > > > you see the link status is UP or not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one interested, please kindly try using the above > > >setup at > > > > > your LAB and see whether you can able to reproduce it there. > > > If > > > really > > > > > an issue, then we also should be able reproduce it here at any > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We appreciate your feedback on this new beta firmware which > > >is > > > really > > > > > helps (making busy) us to identify any root cause of the > > >problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Seeni > > > > > > > > > > sB Tech Support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pascal > > >Losier > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:50 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we all have the problem....... Why does the SBtech team > > >not > > > having > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the custumer comes in at the PC & try to browse...... > > >Does > > > it > > > > > wake > > > > > > > > > > the AB up ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry > > >Carter > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what I do. I ping everyone's router every 3 minutes > > >and I > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > have a problem. I use a nice windows tool called smonitor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Martin Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I ping every 30 seconds and that seems to work and > > >yes > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > you have to ping the client sde router or PC to keep the > > >lan > > > awake > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > ABO > > > > > > > > > > > OR ABI.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Pascal Losier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When running ping to all radio.....Do you ping every > > >second > > > or > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minute ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it meen having 100 custumer will need having 100 > > >ping > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > > on..? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > >shoffman > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Blazen Wireless > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only time we have seen this issue is when there is a > > > > > > > > > > > > router/switch directly under the AirBridge. What's funny > > >is > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started our continuous pinging of the radio side again, > > >and > > > the > > > > > > > > > > problem has > > > > > > > > > > > > disappeared again. Guess these AB's are like ditch > > >diggers, > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > watch them continuously (ping or something) then not a > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Turn your back and trust they are working... they go off > > >to > > > sleep > > > > > > > > > > > > under a tree somewhere... ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 06:42:46 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fidn that if I constant ping everything I don't seem > > >to > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > that problem but I have to ping the device on the LAN > > >side > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > ABO and most people have pings turned off but so far > > >(cross > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > fingers) the ones I am able to > > > > > > > > > > > > > ping have not had any problems this past week.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this as a problem that needs so more > > >investigation.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Pascal Losier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] 1.08 locking up ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , We've all heard about 1.08 locking up... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a link that was OK with 1.08 but it started > > >working > > > > > > > > > > > > > flawlessly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an APPO at the otherside of the link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ping the AB wirelessly, it will always respond. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I ping the APPO sitting at the back, it will respond > > >but > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > stop after a while. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I search with Airbridge monitor, it will wake up > > > everything > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > the back of this bridge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I run simple NMS...... This lockup never happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smartbridges could not have those lock up when testing, > > > maybe > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is simply because Simple NMS was running somewhere on > > >their > > > > > > > > > > > > > network.... (Just a clue). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But those lock up in 1.08 are real. 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