How were you doing that with sB products in the past? Sully
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 15.org] On Behalf Of John Hokenson > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > > Every install we do is done to NEC standards. > > JH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:30 PM > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > > > > I figured I would receive an answer like this. Ya...I know the > law...but > > scratch everything else I said and answer just this question: > > > > Who is going to use them?!?!?! > > > > I see my competitor is not using them as well. > > > > Sully > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > 15.org] On Behalf Of Don Castella > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:00 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > > > > > > In the United States, with very few exceptions, the National > Electrical > > > Code > > > applies everywhere. It requires proper antenna grounding, as well as > > > overvoltage and overcurrent protection for outside plant (OSP) cable > > > systems. In addition, there are specific requirements for OSP Building > > > Entrance Protection, including the installation and use of proper > > > grounding > > > and surge protection equipment. Most building codes require a > UL-approved > > > primary protector (UL 497) at the building cable entrance. Some states > and > > > localities may have more stringent requirements, but very few have > less > > > stringent ones. These codes are in place for two reasons, personal > injury > > > protection and property protection. > > > > > > Ask any experienced fireman about these topics. I'm quite sure you > will > > > hear > > > some harrowing stories. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Austin H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:00 AM > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > > > > > > > > > > What it really becomes, is a question of absolute liability. Sure, > you > > > might > > > > see lightning once every three years. Sure, the chances are one in a > > > million > > > > that one of your customers will take a hit. The only absolute, in > said > > > > situation, is that in the case of someones house burning down (etc > etc > > > etc), > > > > you _will_ be held liable. Seventy-five dollars an install... or > > > 75million > > > > dollars in liability insurance. Brutal judgement call. =\ > > > > > > > > In addition, lightning protection is not the only factor to > consider, > an > > > > external system should always be grounded (in a lot of places it's > the > > > law). > > > > > > > > Now on the installers side, sometimes it is bloody impossible to > reach > a > > > > ground within a reasonable distance from the contact point or > antenna. > > > You > > > > need LOS, LOS is on the ne corner of the 22,000 square foot home, > ground > > > is > > > > on the sw corner... crap. In some areas the laws in place would make > > > this > > > > install an impossibility. Some would say drive a copper ground rod > 8ft > > > into > > > > the ground and tie into that (not recommended, mostly ineffctive). > No > > > super > > > > effective way to do that. Bummer. I feel your pain. =\ > > > > > > > > Austin > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of The Wirefree > Network > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:23 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Outdoor PoE Poll > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question for y'all. > > > > > > > > I can wait to get a hold of a few of these outdoor PoE units for my > > > aPPo's. > > > > They are on BIGO METAL TOWERS, which are prone to lightning strikes > (if > > > we > > > > had any) and when hit take out all clients (not just one). > > > > > > > > However, I am in NO hurry to get them in place on my customer > installs. > > > > > > > > I know...I know...plenty of you will be saying, "what if it takes a > > > > lightning hit and burns the house down". > > > > > > > > But truthfully...how many of you are really going to install them?? > > > > > > > > It is hard enough to find a suitable location for an antenna....then > run > > > the > > > > cable all the way around the house to the room where the PC's are. > > > Now...I > > > > am supposed to run the cable to the location where their earth > ground > > > is, > > > > then run more cable from there all the way to the computer room. > That > > > will > > > > easily double the amount of cable run per install. > > > > > > > > And don't even say you are going to pound in your own ground > > > stake...cause > > > > you wont! I will at my towers...but not in a client's yard with > water > > > > lines, gas lines, sewer lines, etc. NO WAY! Not to mention the > time > > > > involved. > > > > > > > > Recap: to use an outdoor PoE it will extend my average install time > from > > > 2 > > > > hours to 3 hours (not including putting in my own ground > > > stake)...driving > > > > the cost per install up by $50-75 per install. > > > > > > > > I don't know...I just don't think it is worth it. But then > again...I > > > live > > > > in an area where I have only seen lightning (way up in the clouds) > once > > > in > > > > the 1.5 years I have been here. > > > > > > > > Sully > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > > smartBridges) > > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
