Ditto......and thanks. lol
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From: Charles
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Sndbox] New Support for Arnold

But the problem with that view lies in whether you believe the baby is alive or not.  Studies have shown brain patterns as early as 4 weeks and a heartbeat much earlier.  So if the baby is alive, then performing an abortion is the willing taking of a life.  It's not just the woman's body, it is also the life of that child.  Greg over there has, on occasion, been a thorn in my side (an inconvenience if you will), do I have the right to take his life?  If you answer "no", then how can a woman take the life of her child for the same reasons?
 
Charles Mims
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:21 AM
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Well see I only approve of it in certain cases and definatly not past the first trimester. Funny thing is I was telling my grandmother about this yesterday. I never really knew what her views were on this and she knocked my socks off with her answer. She's more liberal than I am in her opinions on this. She agrees with the not past first trimester but asked who she was to determine what someone else did with their body and then did go onto say if they want to burn in hell for the rest of their lives for what they've done, then that's their choice. They can choose what to do with their bodies whether it be right or wrong and pay for it in the hereafter.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Greg Hopper
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:15 AM
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Depends on your state, in some states they do not have to be done by a certaun week in your pregancy. In some yes, but in others... Arkansas among them unless something has recently changed, their legal all the way up thru the 9th month.
 
In several states it's legal 5 minutes before birth, 5 minutes later it's murder. If you ask me, it's murder in both cases....one's just legal while the other isn't. Amazing......
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From: Angela
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Sndbox] New Support for Arnold

I do agree with you on the fact that if you allow it, then those that do use it as a form of birth control will keep on using it as that, but at the same time isnt it better to have them do it that way in a medical office, than trying to do it when its illegal and possibly killing both the child and themselves? There are some cases that it can be warranted. I know myself would not want to carry a child conceived out of rape or incest as many others wouldnt want to either. But at the same time, my parents asked me when they found out I was pregnant if I wanted to have an abortion and I refused it no matter what. Unfortunatly in today's society though, I really dont see abortion laws changing to make them illegal again, so just work to make it a little more difficult to obtain one. They have to be done by a certain week in the pregnancy, in the case of teenagers, parents must always consent to it also and disallow them in women that have had so many. 
 
 
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In a message dated 10/9/2003 11:14:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

As I told Lowell, just checking. This is one subject I usually dont give my opinion on b/c in most cases most people dont understand it, but I feel I must explain. I dont consider myself pro abortion. I dont believe in goofing up and going out and having an abortion just b/c you dont want to be pregnant. But at the same time, I dont feel its right for certain women to feel like murderers b/c they were raped and wound up pregnant and dont want to carry the baby of a rapist. So I guess in that way, I am pro choice. It's not something I myself would want to do, but who am I to tell someone else what they can or cant do with their own body. But I do strongly oppose abortion as a means of birth control as I have known some girls to do. But not e'one that is pro choice totally condones abortion, so it seems kinda bad to say all pro choice people are pro abortion.


i understand your position and i respect it

my belief though is if a person is pro choice then even though that person is only for certain situations they are still for something which gives that choice to people who are going to use it for birth control. and no matter what reason its for its still considered abortion in any situation so it would still be pro abortion

unless its a life or death situation where both will die but theres a chance to save the mother abortion is still considered murder of an unborn child


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