Steve,

If we had that kind of achievement program we would have to have Level X for 
Gordy.

See Ya,

Pat


---- S Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> It just occurred to me that a good explanation of why some want a 
> "New" achievement program may be the same reason that involvement by 
> new blood is diminishing.  Nobody has any time to enjoy 
> themselves.  The 40 hour work week is gone and if you get more than 2 
> weeks vacation consider yourself lucky.
> 
> Perhaps an achievement program that rewards point for posting to RCSE.  :-)
> 
> Oh yea, I'm at work.  This message paid for by my employer. :-)
> 
> Steve
> Soaring Exchange Level V
> LSF Level IV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:35 AM 9/7/2006, James V. Bacus wrote:
> >Steve makes some really good points here.
> >
> >We were already traveling on weekends 100's of miles just to go fly 
> >with others, the LSF tasks didn't start us off on that.
> >
> >We didn't get our contest task points at home because we have a big 
> >club, we had to go on the road for those points because the pilots 
> >within our club are so strong and there are a layer of guys on top 
> >that are very difficult to beat.
> >
> >All hobbies can be expensive, but perhaps the largest expense in 
> >this day and age is the time to spend with them.
> >
> >Well written Steve.
> >
> >
> >
> >At 09:12 AM 9/7/2006, S Meyer wrote:
> >>I started traveling to Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky to attend 
> >>contests.  First it was because that was where the HL contests were 
> >>at.  Now mainly TD contests.  It was not just for the LSF points, I 
> >>met some great guys along the way, learned a lot from all the 
> >>different people, and had a lot of fun as well.  I could move 
> >>closer to theses areas but I choose to live where I am.
> >>
> >>The current LSF system is designed for the pilot who wants interact 
> >>with other pilots, teach and learn at the same time.
> >>
> >>As far as getting a Level V win from a SOAR club contest.  Fat 
> >>chance, I have resided that I will have to attend smaller contests 
> >>in far places.  Away from guys like, Rich Burnoski, Karl Miller, 
> >>Jim McCarthy, Tom Kallevang, Jim Bacus, and more.   And now the 
> >>upcoming novice of the group Pat Crosby, watch out he's a good stick.
> >>
> >>So be careful what you wish for.
> >>
> >>To attain Level 5 requires dedication, commitment, and yes, 
> >>money.  There is no hobby out there if you want to be good you have 
> >>to spend money.  From Gardening to Cycling, they all have an 
> >>expensive side to them.  And they all take what few of us have... time.
> >>
> >>
> >>Steve Meyer
> >>LSF IV
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>At 08:02 AM 9/7/2006, Pat McCleave wrote:
> >>>Steven,
> >>>
> >>>Once again you are missing the point, it is not so much about 
> >>>changing the current system as it is about adding a separate 
> >>>system to the fold for those pilots who do not choose or do not 
> >>>have the means to travel to the big contests in order to complete 
> >>>the list of tasks.  Funny thing is, almost all of those that are 
> >>>so apposed to any change just happen to be fortunate enough to be 
> >>>involved with clubs that have regular monthly contests 20 or more 
> >>>pilots.  Maybe if the shoe were on the other foot and you guys had 
> >>>to travel hundreds of miles and spend hundreds of dollars 
> >>>everytime you wanted to attend a contest with 20 or more people, 
> >>>you might see it another way.  If I were a new guy just starting 
> >>>out and did not already know several of the people on here, I 
> >>>would get the feeling that most of you guys were a pretty elitist 
> >>>group and could care less about new pilots joining the group.  I 
> >>>know this is not the case, because like I said, I know most of you 
> >>>know differently but a new guy just signing up on the list would 
> >>>not know that.  Perception plays a very big role in things.  We 
> >>>really need to keep that in mind.
> >>>
> >>>See Ya,
> >>>
> >>>Pat
> >>
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> >Jim
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