The line will ultimately be drawn by the competitors and where ever that may 
be, we don't yet know.

Big, to a point, for my old eyes and still light enough to not destroy the 
winch lines is a balance I work on with unlimited ships like my Supra or AVA. 
So far line strengths above 250 lbs. are not required for my above mentioned 
birds. That is the line strength I have on my winch which is powered with a 
Wade build FLS motor.

Regards, Dave Corven. 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro 
> models. 
> My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line 
> breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant.  
> Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be a burden for the 
> lighter 
> planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones.
> 
> We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the 
> lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and 
> weight. 
> 
> Where do we draw the line? 
> 
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: SC Johnson 
>   To: soaring@airage.com 
>   Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM
>   Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2
> 
> 
>   OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's 
> been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to 
> the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about 
> time 
> for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its 
> been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get 
> in 
> line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. 
> Designed 
> by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal 
> Duration 
> plane has a wing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod 
> and 
> carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces as the 
> design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The 
> first 
> prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, and the first 
> production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the first of the 
> year. I understand there's already a list. 
> 
> 
>   No - I don't have photos or drawings.....and leave Don alone - he's busy 
> working on my planes. Just get on the list.....
> 
> 
>   Whahooo...
>   Steve Johnson


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I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming more prevelant.  Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones.
 
We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line drag and weight.
 
Where do we draw the line?
 
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
 
----- Original Message -----
From: SC Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2

OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) - there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague comparisons to the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr. Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a wing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. 

No - I don't have photos or drawings.....and leave Don alone - he's busy working on my planes. Just get on the list.....

Whahooo...
Steve Johnson

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