Oh, cool, I can get my ultra high tech model with super expensive high
modulus carbon to keep the weight down and have real fun.... Or I'll
just pop off with my Bubble Dancer at .1 second.
Shorter winch lines usually work better. Plus it gives the ligher models
a better chance since they no longer have to lift up the ton of line
required to keep the big models from breaking it all the time. Plus, if
you break it, you fly it.... That always encourages everyone to stop
abusing the winch. And if that doesn't work, go for longer times.
Actually, the launch discussion is kind of silly. You must all be
talking to electric guys who can't define a launch because they all use
different launch equipment. Electric sailplanes are in competition are
a total turnoff for me because your launch equipment goes obsolete so fast.
AMA TD (or basically Unlimited these days) is what it is because of the
Ford Long Shaft motor and 300lb line. Everyone has somewhat similar
launch equipment, and we can all agree on what to fly. F3b is also
working (except for the denial that it exists in the US) because it has
a well defined launch system. Everyone can go out and practice and try
to design better flying models instead of better launching equipment.
F3j with the current rules is broken. It is very much the luck of the
timer. I know the past few team selections, which timer you had was
good for a 1 second difference in flight time. It's basically a launch
race and timer reaction time event where you take yourself out of the
competition by missing the 100 landing. Models and launch technique are
a long way from what was created. And shorter launches will only
introduce more luck with being on the wrong side of the field.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig,
What is with messing around with winch time???? All minimizing winch
time does is make planes go up faster, and have them built like
composite bullets.
Why not do something simple, like take the weight of the plane, mulitply
it by seconds and get a max time you have to fly??
We once talked about this , way back, when people used to fly scale, or
really stand off scale in the LSF tounaments and SSOAR NAT (that dates
me!) Pilots often chose unique projects that could not compete with the
"slicker" ships. A Schul Glider had a L/D of 15: or so. If you took
the L/D and multiply it by say 10 seconds, that meant that your max time
had to be 150 seconds (2.5 minutes), which was reasonable for draggy,
early gliders. If you had a Kestral, with an L/D of 36:1, that meant
360 seconds, or 6 minutes. That was reasonable for a slick glider.
That kept scale gliders of all vintages competitive.
So...let me ask this:
What happens if the launch is a discus launch of a 100" glider???? NO
TOW TIME!!!!
Think about it. If you know you can hand launch into a thermal, why
loose 4-5 seconds every time???? Hello JW!!
Personally, any time you try to do this stuff, it always ends up with a
conclusion no one wants to fly!
Chris
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Contest idea....Time on tow penalty for TD?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, July 15, 2008 6:03 am
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com
In a message dated 07/14/2008 8:21:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After watching the World F3J I had an idea for a contest...
Incorporate the time penalty on tow that they have in F3J but in a TD format.
You would have a timer at each winch who would time your launch and write
that time down on your card... For example if it were a 10 min task and you
towed for 6 sec the best time you could get would be a 9:54 even though you flew a
perfect 10... Or even better... Double the time on tow penalty, so if it was
a 6 sec tow the best time you could get would be 9:48. Seems to me it would
throw more strategy and fun into a normal TD contest
Suggestions ? Comments?
Craig
________________________________________________
Having read the other replies, I think the solution would be to have a device
that timed the length of time the winch motor was on for the launch and
deduct that from the score. That would allow a woody to tap up to the top and take
their time doing so without incurring the "time on tow" penalty. The penalty
would then be for "time using power on tow."
Bill Wingstedt
**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music
scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com!
(http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe
messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email
such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe
messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email
such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and
"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe
messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email
such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
