On Friday 26 Sep 2003 9:30 pm, Bill wrote: > Okay, so in South Africa, unlike the United States, > the "first desideratum" remains operative. Your job > is to convince the authorities to give the social > credit idea a chance
Thanks, Bill -- this concession represents a breakthrough for all of us :-) > By "assessment" you mean taxation, don't you? Yes -- you render your Return of Income and the Receiver works out what you owe him and then responds with the Tax Assessment, and you send him a cheque. > But "grab back" is just redistribution through > taxation which makes it something other than social > credit. I can't be understanding you here. The National Dividend (or shall we call it the BIG?) is not included in your Income so is not subject to tax, but the ¨grab back¨ is added in to the Receiver´s calculation of the Tax you owe him. Once in his hands, the grab back amount is not fed into the general Revenue Account but goes once more into the Social Credit account to go out in further payments of National Dividends (BIG´s). > We know more about working > with and bringing pressure on the authorities. All > we need is a demonstration project somewhere in the > world to get the snowball rolling. This is what I´m after, but I don´t know ff I´m big enough to swing it. But I do keep plugging away at it. Jessop. ---------------------------- On Friday 26 Sep 2003 9:30 pm, you wrote: > Jessop, I'm confused by this sentence of yours, > > ***] But R25-billion of the payments could be grabbed > back from all taxpayers by a simple addition to their > assessment, which brings the BIG almost within reach > without increasing taxes. [*** > > By "assessment" you mean taxation, don't you? > > ***] Now, I would be naive to believe that we are > going to change South Africa over to a Social Credit > system overnight: in the meantime families are at > near-starvation levels. [*** > > Okay, so in South Africa, unlike the United States, > the "first desideratum" remains operative. Your job > is to convince the authorities to give the social > credit idea a chance, perhaps by organizing public > opinion and bringing political pressure on the > authorities. It is an emergency situation. They > will say, okay, we will credit such and such an > amount and see what happens if only to prove your > harebrained ideas are wrong. So you will be > operating under an effective budget restraint of that > relatively small such and such amount that the > authorities are willing to grant experimentally. So > targeting the lower income levels with that such and > such amount is not inappropriate in the beginning, > and does not contradict the ultimate goal of > equality. The point is to demonstrate that social > credit is not inflationary and does not result in the > doomsday scenario that the orthodox predict. You can > start with a tiny little amount of social credit that > targets those persons most in need, and gradually > ratchet it up. As you ratchet it up you build > constituencies for it that won't let it go, believe > me. > > ***] The one major thing coming out of Douglas´ > proposals is that value (SC) is available to be > monetized and paid out as debt-free purchasing power > to every citizen. That could fund the BIG without > requiring any major changes to current ´wisdom´, and > the advocates of the ´grab-back´ policy could also be > happy. [*** > > But "grab back" is just redistribution through > taxation which makes it something other than social > credit. I can't be understanding you here. You seem > to contradict yourself in conflating "debt-free > purchasing power" with "grab back." What am I > missing? > > ***] but I will be long-gone from this earth before > it comes into play [*** > > Well, it is true that any one of us could be dead > before the day is out. But don't be so pessimistic, > Jessop. I am convinced that a properly packaged > social credit could spark public opinion quite > rapidly. We know a lot more about public relations > and organizing popular support than was available to > Douglas in the 1930s. We know more about working > with and bringing pressure on the authorities. All > we need is a demonstration project somewhere in the > world to get the snowball rolling. --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84IaC.bcVIgP.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^----------------------------------------------------------------
