***| They are talking about a BIG paid from taxes.
|***

Which is why it will never go anywhere or accomplish
anything, because it would require either more taxes
which are impossible to collect to fund the BIG, or
the diversion of taxes already being collected from
other programs that have entrenched constituencies
that will not let them go.  The BIG effectively
neutralizes the movement for reform.


***| What I suggest is just a simpler way of allowing some to benefit from the dividend and others not. |***

The simplest way is to simply target the dividend in
its initial implementation to those most in need--the
first desideratum.  Why make it so complicated?  What
pitiful excuses for revolutionaries are the present
leaders of South Africa!  And so unimaginative in a
land that is inherently one of the richest in the
world.  This deplorable situation was recently
reported in the New York Times:

"Like most squatters, Thabang's mother, Mosele
Malakoane, lives in a shack of caked mud, dung and
rusty sheets of corrugated tin, its meager roof
covered with black plastic weighted down by stones.
Inside are a few sticks of wooden furniture, a shred
of curtain hanging off a tiny window, a paraffin
stove and the double bed she shared with her son.
Thabang had two worn toys: a steam shovel and a small
gray airplane."


***| I would be quite happy to give indiscriminately to all, but we will never achieve that. |***

Who says "indiscriminate"? And who says "never"?


***| In the South African political field we still have very strong feelings about the injustices of the past regime. There is still a strong desire for redress, which in effect means to withhold from the previously-privileged and give positions, status, services, social security, etc., to the previously disadvantaged. |***

And in doing so they have achieved a regime that in
financial terms is substantially more orthodox than
before.  In this regard it is perhaps the most
conservative regime in the world.  In every
statistical measure except for what we call in
America call integration, the situation in South
Africa is degrading.


***| We have an active Labour movement and a vibrant Communist Party whose constituencies are drawn from that previously-disadvantaged segment which constitutes about 90% of our population. |***

Not the ideologues and demagogues but the rank and
file can be recruited to social credit, for it offers
the real prospect of improving the situation.  South
Africa faces a fork in the road that will determine
its destiny and perhaps the destiny of the world.
One direction is increasing stagnation.  One
direction is increasing prosperity.  It is up to us
who see the truth to show the way because there's
nobody else to do it.  South Africa is at present in
revolutionary ferment.  It is a critical moment in
history where bold leadership can make a real
difference.


***| So they delisted. Their stated policy is that they are not out to make a profit, which is what shareholders would demand. |***

You still don't get it.  The controlling block of
shareholders names half the directors.  The
government probably ratifies their nominations for
the other half.



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A couple of points in response to Bill.
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