I didn't withhold my money for several lackluster releases. This year I decided I would wait for them to prove they had something worth upgrading to and so far it looks as if I will be keeping my money. The problem here is that the proper channels dont seem to care. If they did, they wouldn't have moved most of the Softimage team to Maya.
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:54 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: 2014 New feature list... minor corrections list... you decide If enough T-shirts dont sell, the company will investigate as to why that is and make changes. Companies dont like spending and not seeing a return. BUT, as a customer you shouldnt withhold your money as first course of action. You should be communicating your issues through proper channels to get them resolved. If and only youve gone down all available channels and still without resolution should you withhold payment in the form of using a different product. Withholding payment should be the last resort, not the first. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:47 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: 2014 New feature list... minor corrections list... you decide If T-shirts are great with good looking designs and quality materials and always putting out new series of designs people WILL keep buying it. If you are trying to sell same shirt over and over again and each season offer a bit different color of same shirt then people will stop buying it. simple as that following that analogy. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Matt Lind <ml...@carbinestudios.com> wrote: No and no. Regardless of the product and the company, business is business. If your company makes printed T-shirts and a particular T-shirt isnt selling, chances are the company will stop manufacturing it. Its common sense. Use that analogy on Softimage if people stop buying it, why would AD continue development of it? Duh. As for upgrades, I never said there wasnt anything worth the upgrade. What I said is there were show stopping issues preventing our upgrade. Very big difference between the two. We wanted to upgrade because of the new features we needed (and requested), but bugs prevented us from making the move. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:04 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: 2014 New feature list... minor corrections list... you decide Yes let's think rationally... What you are kinda saying is let's all be investors so then maybe AD will invest in development and all will be happy? Invest in something that so far shown really really slow progress... You alone said that nothing between 7.5 and 2013 wasn't really worth of upgrade. What does that tell us? Years and years developing and only now after couple of them you can update and |STILL you alone have to work around... ooooook? :) On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Matt Lind <ml...@carbinestudios.com> wrote: WTF? (part 2) I would definitely NOT want to stay on 2010. Way too many blocking issues and bugs. We just upgraded to 2013 SP1 from Softimage 7.5 as it was the first version since 7.5 which gave us the bare minimum feature set that didnt have major issues and even then I had to write a lot of custom code to work around known issues. Im still looking at newer releases as they come down the pipe as there are some pretty serious issues in 2013 SP1 that we cannot live with for long. Hoping 2014 resolves them. People are already complaining about lack of development of SI. Customer base is what determines how many resources AD puts into the product. If fewer customers pay for support, how much developer time do you think is going to be put into the product? In other words, by not paying you are effectively killing the product. Sure, 3rd parties can supply some fancy plugins, but that will only continue as long as there are paying customers to support the product, and the 3rd parties ability to support the product is dependent on their ability to get access to the necessary components to write their tools. If AD doesnt develop the core, the 3rd parties cannot do their work. One hand feeds the other. Lets think rationally for a change. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:35 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: 2014 New feature list... minor corrections list... you decide I'm sure that if other companies see what AD have prepared for lunch in the next month or so, they (other companies) will rush in and implement same or better in a month or two!!! I mean cmon who are we kidding :) And on it is true that 3rd party people brought more improvement's to SI in the last coupl eyears than AD did.. so then just simple solution: stop paying subs price to AD and start paying guys that actually do improve Softimage :) I bet that a lot of people would rather still stay on SI 2010 for example with fresh income of upgrades from Exocortex and rest of the crew. Mentioning Exocortex too much but it would huge list to go over everyone we all know who are they and we are all thankful for keeping SI great... without them lets admit SI would be a lot lesser than it is now.... On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Emilio Hernandez <emi...@e-roja.com> wrote: Well that sure is something people using Houdini appreciate and we using AD products regret. Perhaps updates are so Top Secret that AD doesn't want other software companies to see what's coming up... More of the same. In the meantime we can only hope that NEW IMPROVEMENTS to Softimage are coming. Something like now you can have in Maya the Softimage color scheme and vs., ... But for some small things actually the way Softimage is now with the participation of Exocortex, Eric Mootz, and the other addons that are coming out, I think that there is not too much to improve... 2013/3/14 Mário Domingos <mdomingos.p...@gmail.com> This is an example of a proper software update. http://www.sidefx.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://www.sidefx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2447&Itemid =360> &task=view&id=2447&Itemid=360 Mário Domingos www.mariodomingos.com Sent from my super iPhone On 14/03/2013, at 17:10, Doeke Wartena <clankil...@gmail.com> wrote: I would like if you can see the size of objects so it's easier to make models for 3d printing. 2013/3/14 Francois Lord <flordli...@gmail.com> +1 On 14/03/2013 09:45, Eric Lampi wrote: Guys, Don't you think it's better to just wait for the list to be released before getting too worked up over it? --
