I don't have an issue with people venting their frustrations, nor I'm saying there's no reason for it, since there is. I'm saying it cannot be in every single bloody thread, and it shouldn't be with absolutely gratuitous and unrelated potshots.
This was a thread about a linux survey, that became about surveys, that became about the developers listening in or not. All fair game. How does, out of the blue, complaining about Soft's viewport by comparing it to an OFFLINE rendering engine that just happens to draw through webGLfit? It doesn't. Beside not even being an apt comparison there is not one small, tenuous connection to the topic. Make a complaint thread and keep it live by having a go at the world if you wish, I'll jump in there and take a shot at it myself, but please let at least one useful thread once in a while proceed unmolested and on topic. That's all I ask. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Angus Davidson <angus.david...@wits.ac.za>wrote: > Hi Raffaele > > > > While I agree with your firstpoint, You cant really compare something that > is packaged vs something that is ongoing I do think your being a bit > sensitive about people expressing their frustrations Before coming to > education I worked as a developer in a big corporation (for south africa > anyway) and you need to be able to separate people venting from stuff that > is valid to what you are doing. That is what part of being a professional > developer is. It by default requires you to have a think skin and an > ability to see behind what that person is saying. > > > > Yes there is a fair amount of negativity around, but most of it has very > valid reasons for being there. Trying to turn that around is what the Devs > are trying to do. I really look forward to time when the vast majority of > the posts are more positive, but that will only come from > when REALISTIC expectations are considered to be met (I of course exclude > my unrealisttic expectaion of a mac version of XSI from that ;) > > > > Point is this is one of the few places people cant vent their frustrations > with hope of it being read and possibly acted on by the appropriate people. > In a lot of ways its valuable for them to see the scope of their task. The > good and the bad. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Angus > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Raffaele Fragapane [raffsxsil...@googlemail.com] > *Sent:* 21 August 2013 09:35 AM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey > > I was involved with that from inception (of its integration) to > launch and for future integration steps (coming CGPortfolio revamp GCS has > been talking about for a while). > > It's an offline rendering engine that pre-bakes a lot of stuff, that's > what it boils down to. > If you're willing to entertain the idea of having non-deforming characters > with channels limited to four entries into a single pixel shader rendering > offline for seconds to minutes before they can be orbited around, then you > could call it a viewport. Make sure you don't blow the polycount limit > either. > Me? I wouldn't call it that (a viewport). > > If you want to beg for anything beg for the VP2 ubershader (DX11 only) > that's in Maya, comparing Verold to a DCC viewport is apples and oranges. > > Please, could we have at least ONE thread spanning more than a handful of > e-mails at a time without using words like embarassing? Particularly one > where people wonder why developers are quiet on the list. > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Mirko Jankovic <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> another one for survey.. >> >> http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=1119260&page=1&pp=15 >> >> now inside browser you can have better viewport than in SI. it is >> embarrassing to have to rely on 3d party small programs in order to see >> your work with all textures that are industry standard for years now. :) >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Chris Chia <chris.c...@autodesk.com>wrote: >> >>> Hi Doeke, >>> This survey is posted here to seek for a bigger audience as it's result >>> would be useful for certain decision needed for Linux support. >>> Of course we do contact the users and sometimes we brought it offline >>> [out of mailinglist] and emailed users instead to collect more information. >>> >>> And lastly, please rest assured that many eyes are on this list. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chris >>> >>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Doeke Wartena >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:19 AM >>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >>> >>> I wondered, are people that work on softimage ever active on the >>> mailinglist apart from asking for a survey? >>> In other words, how is the contact between the creators and the users? >>> >>> 2013/8/19 Rob Wuijster <r...@casema.nl<mailto:r...@casema.nl>> >>> Just a friendly warning, this only works without issues on non-UEFI >>> machines. >>> Due to the UEFI 'Secure Boot' Wubi will not run, and could in some cases >>> destroy data on disk. >>> So if you recently bought a new (W8) pc, chances are it boots with UEFI. >>> So YMMV on these pc's with Ubuntu.... >>> >>> But yes, there are tricks to work around this if you want ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> \/-------------\/----------------\/ >>> On 16-8-2013 19:29, Alan Fregtman wrote: >>> If anyone is new to Linux but wants to get their feet wet in the easiest >>> way possible, check out the Wubi installer: >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer >>> >>> It will install as a program under Windows and will set up dual boot >>> perfectly for you without touching your partitions (using a file as a >>> virtual disk.) Because of this virtual disk thing, it's not recommended for >>> very serious use, but it's a great way to try things out... >>> >>> and if you don't like it, go to Windows, Control Panel, Uninstall >>> Programs, type in Wubi and that's it. >>> >>> If you do end up liking I suggest install Ubuntu with the install cd on >>> a real partition. Copying your settings is not hard, if you're worried >>> about that. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Andres Stephens <drais...@outlook.com >>> <mailto:drais...@outlook.com>> wrote: >>> I'm curious about Linux. As.. the multiprocessor support would be >>> perfect for some machines we are thinking to buy as servers for a >>> renderfarm. >>> >>> I use Windows 7 and 8 a lot, and I use thirdparty apps for multidesktop >>> features, with the functions like the ones mentioned below. I am starting >>> to use free software, like GIMP, Blender and other suites for my needs, and >>> wondered what other pro's of Linux to consider the switch. It would be nice >>> to have Softimage as an easy package for Linux based renderfarm solutions >>> or alternative OS solutions. >>> >>> The last mail you wrote was good to know, other than the conflicting >>> intuous/bamboo driver conflict and multi user accounts logged in on >>> different monitors at the same time, I do do the same virtual desktop >>> system in Windows (Virtuawin or Dexpot) , and yes also, there are some >>> other great productivity tools I use in Windows I am sure I'd miss in >>> Linux. Many pro's and con's. >>> >>> If SI was an option for some kind of linux system, I would consider it >>> once I upgrade to new hardware that Windows couldn't take advantage of. >>> >>> Any "ease of use" and "compatibility" development is welcome. >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> >>> > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:34:51 +0200 >>> > From: c...@glarestudios.de<mailto:c...@glarestudios.de> >>> >>> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto: >>> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> >>> > Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 User Survey >>> > >>> > ...you do realize that i can make the exact same statement with a >>> search >>> > and replace for linux vs windows, do you? >>> > >>> > just sayin'... >>> > >>> > but joking aside: for me switching to linux brought a lot more >>> > advantages than staying with good old windows. >>> > >>> > first i don't miss any tools. i have softimage, mudbox, maya, >>> photoshop, >>> > inkscape and all our inhouse editors. they all work fine. secondly, the >>> > killerfeature of linux is its window managers. in my case mate desktop. >>> > its slick, fast and powerful. i can have as many virtual desktops as i >>> > want, keep several apps open in parallel (and not stacked up behind >>> each >>> > other), each screen is customized to my needs. sessions get saved, i >>> can >>> > switch and shuffle them around with a few keystrokes and i almost never >>> > reboot - updates happen in the background...i have two monitors chained >>> > to one desktop and another monitor on a second x session that kind of >>> > acts like a second computer with a shared mouse, keyboard and >>> > copy/paste-buffer for email etc.. it's the real life equivalent of >>> those >>> > funky hollywood-operating systems that we've all seen so many times >>> > before and it's boosting my day2day performance a LOT. >>> > >>> > oh, and i can switch between wacom intous and bamboo without >>> > deinstalling and installing drivers. try that with windows :) >>> > >>> > cheers! >>> > chris >>> > >>> > On 08/16/2013 06:05 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: >>> > > yea so far I also saw only problems with linux after trying to switch >>> > > couple times.... >>> > > fro missing so many other tools to making every day tasks a >>> nightmare. >>> > > sorry but if you don't have an Linux guru around then you will spend >>> more >>> > > time trying to do something on system instead of actually working on >>> your >>> > > job. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Martin <furik...@gmail.com<mailto: >>> furik...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> And why is that? What does make SI Linux better than Windows >>> version? From >>> > >> an artist point of view I see more cons than pros in switching from >>> Windows >>> > >> to Linux, apart from dealing with Linux based networks and farms. >>> > >> >>> > >> M.Yara >>> > >> Sent from my iPhone >>> > >> >>> > >> On 2013/08/17, at 0:43, Bruno-Pierre Jobin <bpjo...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:bpjo...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> Totally agree with Miquel. I'd switch to linux tomorrow if the >>> > >> installation process was easier. >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> >>> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6587 - Release Date: >>> 08/18/13 >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it > and let them flee like the dogs they are! > > This communication is intended for the addressee only. 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