Blender? :p On Mar 4, 2014 11:32 PM, "Kris Rivel" <krisri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would be awesome if a group of individuals just worked on an open source > version that basically does everything Soft did + all the wish list stuff > we ever wanted. I know I'm dreaming...... > > Kris > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Sebastien Sterling < > sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Excellent Maurice, I perches 10 000 stand alone licences, i'll be >> expecting the paperwork, i'll have you know my superior are pissed :P >> >> >> On 5 March 2014 00:39, Eric Lampi <ericla...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It's the typical short sighted mindset that has ruined so many great >>> products. They think that they can cut all of that development and support, >>> it's a win win because they cannot imagine that these SoftImage people have >>> any other product to transition to other than Maya. So they cut costs and >>> add seats to Maya. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> Freelance 3D and VFX animator >>> >>> http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Jordi Bares <jordiba...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Astonishing... truly astonishing... >>>> >>>> And I wonder... what is the cost of maintaining Softimage evolving as a >>>> first class product... are we talking about 8 developers? a few QA and >>>> documentation guys and management? >>>> >>>> Are we talking about what... a little fraction of the profits may be? >>>> >>>> truly incredible. >>>> >>>> Jordi Bares >>>> jordiba...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 23:11, Sebastien Sterling < >>>> sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Interesting, so with this logic, Carbine Games who are locked into >>>> Softimage for at least 5 hopefully 10 years, will have to repurchase their >>>> entire pipeline in max or maya... >>>> >>>> Animal Logic who have 2 new Lego films green lit, will have to recreate >>>> everything minus the meshes... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 March 2014 22:32, Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for clarifying Maurice. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Morten >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Den 4. marts 2014 kl. 20:14 skrev Maurice Patel < >>>>> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>: >>>>> >>>>> > Yes this is the case. >>>>> > Unfortunately these days license agreements are rather complex. The >>>>> clause is there because subscription includes a certain level of support >>>>> which we are not going to be offering in 2 years time. Whatever choice you >>>>> make now will have pros and cons and these have been discussed on several >>>>> threads but basically boil down to: >>>>> > >>>>> > - You can keep using the license you have in perpetuity, >>>>> either by itself or augmented by other non-Autodesk software, a lot of >>>>> which was discussed elsewhere >>>>> > >>>>> > - Migrate to the Transition Bundle - this is a single license >>>>> that allows you to use two products (Softimage and either Maya or 3ds >>>>> Max). >>>>> You will now be able to use both products concurrently (the license >>>>> functions like a Suite license). If you are on Subscription you can >>>>> migrate >>>>> at no cost. Even if you migrate you will still have two options depending >>>>> on whether Maya (or 3ds Max) works for you or not: >>>>> > >>>>> > o If it is not working out for you, you can stop renewing >>>>> subscription - you will then still be able to use both products in >>>>> perpetuity (at whatever release version Maya or 3ds Max is on at the time) >>>>> > >>>>> > o If it is working for you and you renew Subscription, after two >>>>> years when we stop support, you will be moved to wither a Maya-only or 3ds >>>>> Max-only subscription plan when we stop Softimage support. >>>>> > >>>>> > o If you want to migrate but continue to access Softimage after >>>>> two years, we recommend that you not transition all your seats or if you >>>>> do >>>>> not keep the Subscription current on all of them - that way you will have >>>>> a >>>>> few licenses that you can maintain to access older projects >>>>> > Maurice >>>>> > >>>>> > Maurice Patel >>>>> > Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 >>>>> > >>>>> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >>>>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Peter Agg >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:47 PM >>>>> > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>>>> > Subject: Re: License to END if you migrate?! >>>>> > >>>>> > I imagine this is Autodesk protecting itself legally - if they sell >>>>> you a product then I'm pretty sure they're obliged to provide a level of >>>>> support for it. >>>>> > Doesn't make it any less silly for us though, of course. >>>>> > >>>>> > On 4 March 2014 18:09, Kris Rivel <krisri...@gmail.com<mailto: >>>>> krisri...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> > Ha...I read too fast the first time...now its even more confusing! >>>>> So if you want to continue to use it, don't renew...but doing so forfeits >>>>> the right to upgrade Max or Maya? That doesn't make any sense. Please >>>>> tell me this an error. Everyone that is a paid customer should get >>>>> transitioned to either one and always be able to run Softimage. I agree >>>>> this needs to be revised. >>>>> > >>>>> > Kris >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Jens Lindgren < >>>>> jens.lindgren....@gmail.com<mailto:jens.lindgren....@gmail.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > My translation of it: >>>>> > "If you want to use Softimage after the transition period, stop >>>>> paying the Subscription. If you also want to continue using Max or Maya >>>>> that you have had the pleasure to try for free for two years, you are >>>>> welcome to buy a license. Thank you for being a Autodesk Customer. Now >>>>> please drop your pants and bend over." >>>>> > >>>>> > /Jens >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Adam Sale <adamfs...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> > I totally agree Arvid. I know I will need to revisit old scenes and >>>>> projects, and this totally shoots us in the foot/ head. >>>>> > This is a completely unacceptable move on the part of AD. >>>>> > Let us keep our old licenses, AND migrate. What harm is there in >>>>> keeping the old licenses around? >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Arvid Björn <arvidbj...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:arvidbj...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> > Excuse me, but THIS IS BULLSHIT: >>>>> > >>>>> > "Please note that the right to use the Softimage license will >>>>> terminate at the end of the transition period if you are still on >>>>> Subscription. You will be transitioned to the latest release of either 3ds >>>>> Max or Maya depending on your initial choice. If you want to continue to >>>>> use your Softimage license after Feb 1, 2016 you should not renew your >>>>> Subscription contract for a period beyond that date. You will be able to >>>>> continue to use Softimage but will forfeit any future updates to either >>>>> 3ds >>>>> Max or Maya." >>>>> > >>>>> > I can see how offering Maya/Max might be a parting gift, but how can >>>>> you deny the continued use of Softimage after the two year transition >>>>> period? No fucking way in hell we'll just throw all of our data from >>>>> almost >>>>> 10 years back into the lake, we'll need the ability to open older >>>>> Softimage >>>>> projects INDEFINITELY. >>>>> > Basically, there is absolutely NO way forward with Autodesk at this >>>>> pont, I have to keep access available. Rethink, respond and change this >>>>> policy ASAP, thanks. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Jens Lindgren >>>>> > -------------------------- >>>>> > Lead Technical Director >>>>> > Magoo 3D Studios<http://www.magoo3dstudios.com/> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
