Hi, even though there may potentially be some results out of a lawsuit,
such measures can hardly be seen as all that much less reprehensible as
forcing people into decisions in the first place.
Forcing back (or threats thereof?) in response to forcing?
Despite anything positive that could come out of that,
it would very most-likely entail or pronounce future debacles/behavior
of the sorts,
and consequently similar counter-measures.. not unlike a "cycle".
And I think the fact that we are appealing to people (that can
understand, reason & be reasoned-with)
can be leveraged-upon for a far less "brute" resolve to which everyone
could live with.
People have been very respectful (for the larger part) in most of the
responses so far (many responses)
so lets not ruin that momentum shall we?
On 03/16/14 21:02, Doeke Wartena wrote:
I think it will be very expensive but i would be happy to donate some.
2014-03-16 20:16 GMT+01:00 Tenshi Sama <tenshu...@gmail.com
<mailto:tenshu...@gmail.com>>:
I'm not a lawyer, but i think with Autodesk history there's maybe
a case here. The only way i think this could be accomplished is
with all the community support; from studios to freelancers;
important people; then, gather all the info from past years,
videos, open letters, discussions, petitions, AD statements about
Softimage future. I mean, everything!. And maybe we could have a
case here.(maybe a weak one, but still a case)
The problem i see with this is that people is not going to support
something like this, because it requires investment and time.
Human beings think first about their priorities, families and life
itself(which is fine).
But, if only we could give support to something like this, this
kind of "monopoly" cases, will be over for decades, because
company's will know for sure that Users will fight for their rights.
Don't misunderstand me, i hate the way Autode$k manage things, i
would love to see the law force them to give the users what they
promess year after year. What I do not like to see is how people
bow to Autodesk and let them decide the path that everyone must
follow.
So... ,first we need a good representative, then a good lawyer,
community support, and money.
(sorry for my english)
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Chris Vienneau
<chris.vienn...@autodesk.com <mailto:chris.vienn...@autodesk.com>>
wrote:
Hi everyone,
Things are very different than six years ago. In terms of
competition for Autodesk, you can now argue in different
industries there is Cinema 4D, Modo, Houdini, Zbrush, 3D coat,
and even Unity (now has modeling tools) that can replace
functionality that was once only available in 3dsmax, Maya,
and Softimage. Things are more and more about playing nice
with other tools in an ecosystem than one package to rule them
all.
cv/
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Subject: Re: Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit
I'm not a lawyer either, but a few thoughts. When AD first
bought Softimage there were talks of monopoly. Unfortunately
for us, AD's biggest market is CAD, and they have several
competitors in that arena. The government doesn't really
parcel out the market in a way that favors a claim on monopoly
for 3D artists. We are just a small bulb on a large tree.
Secondly, and this is a more serious problem, antitrust
basically doesn't exist anymore in the US like it did in the
days of Ma Bell. I talked with my partner, who is a larval
lawyer, about this issue quite a bit. Every antitrust decision
for the past 70 years has gnawed away at plaintiff power in
antitrust cases and now there is essentially nothing left.
Combined with the weak case we would already have from the
first part, and I think this would be a really difficult row
to hoe. That money and energy would probably be better spent
re-educating and resource sharing among SI artists so they can
move on, or perhaps fighting the subsidy/tariff issue.
I understand the anger, and it's heartbreaking to watch a
superior product die in favor of Maya, but this wouldn't be a
good way to retaliate IMO.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 12:06 PM, skuby <sku...@gmail.com
<mailto:sku...@gmail.com><mailto:sku...@gmail.com
<mailto:sku...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
There may be a case here for an Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit
against Autodesk. We would need to have a lawyer look at the
details and I'm not the person to be able to do this, as I
don't have the resources, connections or credibility to do so.
However, if successful, it is potentially possible that
Autodesk could be forced to divest their Softimage assets,
aka. they could be compelled by a court to sell Softimage to a
competitor at it's fair market value.
Anyways, maybe someone out there in the aether can give the
idea a shot, I would not know where to start outside of this
initial suggestion.
The Federal Trade Commission along with the Department of
Justice Antitrust Division jointly regulate and enforce
Antitrust Law and Anti-Competitive Monopoly practices.
Anyways, this might work a little better than a petition to
Autodesk or other-such cries for a change of heart, but the
petition someone put out there to Autodesk might serve some
use when presenting the idea to a Lawyer(s). I think a lot of
people and interested parties might just support crowdfunding
for legal fees. Good luck.
