It is easy to sit happily in Houdini-land and wonder about the ongoing display 
of dislike for AD.
If you were forced to use their shitty tools every day it might be easier for 
you to understand why an initial serious dislike of them deepens. It is simply 
not something you get easily over when a happy worklife (with XSI) has become a 
mediocre to shitty one using Maya. Some of us can't choose freely.

Thanks for your input over the years Dan - you have definately contributed to 
the quality and good nature of this list. 

If Side FX finally manages (or chooses) to make Houdini accessible to less 
technically inclined artists, we might meet again :)  Bye and keep the good 
memories.

Morten


> Den 15. marts 2018 klokken 13:56 skrev Dan Yargici <danyarg...@gmail.com>:
> 
> 
> Hey guys and gals,
> 
> I stayed subscribed to the list over these last few years since I moved
> over to Houdini (haven't touched Softimage in 2 years now!) as occasionally
> a little nugget of useful, non-Softimage specific information would still
> surface through the Autodesk-hating noise (I should add that I also
> massively dislike Autodesk, I just don't see any point in expending as much
> energy in stating it as some people).
> 
> I think the time has now come to pull the plug and sign off.
> 
> Not trying to be dramatic, just felt I should acknowledge the last 18 years
> that I've been on the list interacting with so many people I respect so
> much who generously took the time to share so much of their knowledge with
> a 'bye and thanks for the memories!' post.
> 
> So, bye and thanks for the memories!
> 
> It's been a great pleasure.  Good luck with whatever the future holds!
> 
> DAN
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> arc.ann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > i don't understand why so many users of softimage have , it seems from
> > your posts here,
> > turned to Maya, which, if less easy to understand, is yet positively
> > evolving it's tools, that's why i say AD is good
> >
> > AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.
> >
> > yet it is a US farmer, which means it is an industry.
> >
> > if users turn to Maya, it's from being 'encouraged' to do so by their
> > bosses in the 3d industry
> >
> > now why has the industry faltered during the years 2000 between XSI and
> > Maya, and finally chosen Maya,
> > i might be given counter-argument to that, but I think ''Disney'' (who
> > creates the standards, who is the most creative, being a big industrial
> > farmer)
> > got threatened by the upheaval from the underground which came along with
> > non-''Disney'' actors, like the music video scenes and popularisation of
> > nodes and mudboxes
> > all over the planet, just in a time where it has been decided the Marvel
> > DC comic should change the way Hollywood targets the whole planet.
> >
> > about Nasa, the Nazi scientists from defeated Germany went hired by Nasa
> > in the rocket launchers competition against Stalin etc.
> >
> > (there is a famous underground cult-book by Thomas Pynchon who elaborates
> > on the tight (sexual?)  relation between US and Nazi, 'Gravity Rainbow.
> > Laurie Anderson wanted to turn this book into an opera)
> >
> > given the destruction in Syria at this time, or for example in Vietnam
> > before, and the industrial farms, and the roles of narratives and images in
> > advertising and colonization of non-US realities, and arts,
> > i think it is fair to say that i, poor individual, alone, not  charismatic
> > leader not wanting to influence anyone into my views, think that AD is a
> > mix of good, and evil.
> >
> > it is good, because they can be helpful, and can be innovative, if your on
> > the right side of their story, and even if not, because, at least up to
> > this moment,
> > Maya can be rented by middle class directors doing research in digital
> > painting and 3D. yet, if nothing changes, if Trump gets re-elected in 2020,
> > soon the best tools will only be available for those hired by the "Disney"
> > farms,
> > while poor individuals, non charismatic, will be given a text-to-speech
> > processor and a facebook page to post memes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2018-03-15 10:55 GMT+01:00 Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk>:
> >
> >> How is Nasa evil?
> >>
> >> AD is US corporate greed, perhaps not at its worst, but bad as they come.
> >>
> >> Morten
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Den 14. marts 2018 klokken 12:47 skrev Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> >> arc.ann...@gmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I see AD a bit like the Nasa, it's a mix of good,  and evil
> >> >
> >> > 2018-03-14 10:13 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> > > well once they take your money and lock you up in subscription and
> >> push
> >> > > you to buy software that they think you need, then sure support is
> >> there to
> >> > > help you.
> >> > > but just you try resisting.. ;)
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Morten Bartholdy <
> >> x...@colorshopvfx.dk>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We
> >> had
> >> > >> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after
> >> upgrading
> >> > >> FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
> >> > >> versions.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person
> >> > >> actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote
> >> support.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows
> >> files(!) but
> >> > >> eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage
> >> takes
> >> > >> ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
> >> > >> granted) Grrrr
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that
> >> not
> >> > >> everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their
> >> corporate
> >> > >> policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Morten
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable <
> >> > >> sixsi_l...@imagefront.de>:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network
> >> license
> >> > >> > (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not listed
> >> for
> >> > >> > several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to move even
> >> the
> >> > >> old
> >> > >> > licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the online chat.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Sven
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
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