Apparently it is not said enough: Do not learn F2L by heart !!! You can look at the algs to help you figure out the pairing process but the F2L should be intuitive.
My 2 cents, Sven --- In [email protected], "Daniel Jih" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Like I said, it's all personal preference. The way I see it, you have > to do the Last Layer face up anyways so if you do the cross on the top > you still have to flip everything over sooner or later, why not just > start with the cross on the bottom and save yourself a step. > > Yes 42 algorithms is a lot but take your time learning them > thoroughly. Actually, just today someone showed me another F2L method > which is a bit more efficient. =D http://cubewhiz.com/f2l.html > I made it into a printable page using the graphics from the > speedcubing.com site: http://home.comcast.net/~djspazy/rubiks/f2l.html > For people like you and I, we just want to focus on the FR: of each > case. That is solving for the pair in the Front Right corner of the cube. > > Basically you see those moves inside the ( ), those are triggers. You > can do those moves really really quickly with just a flick of your > wrist. I personally think this method is far more efficient and quick > and actually, if you slow down to observe what's happening, the > algorithm is actually pretty much intuitive. > > If you notice, most of the cases have a mirror case. Like you look > case #25 on cubewhiz site, it's mirror is case number 38. So 25 the > pieces were on the right, now 38 theyre on the left flipped over the > diagonal of the cube. So in most cases, by learning one of the > algorithms, chances are you will know its mirror and so you actually > learn 2. But do not attempt to memorize them all in a week. Do > perhaps 4 a day on the weekdays, that's 20 which is a lot. Spend the > week end reviewing all that you have learned. You don't want to learn > them so fast that you end up forgetting them at the end. The point is > to thoroughly learn them. > > The site also gives you algorithms for when the pair is in the FR: > front left, BR: back right, BL: back left corner, but that is way too > much memorization for now. In the future once you have mastered the > FR, you might consider coming back to these because those are helpful > in that you don't have to always rotate the cube so much to solve the > FR corner. Once you identify a pair that goes in the BR corner, you > don't have to rotate your cube so that the BR corner is in the FR > position to solve it. > > Good luck. > > > > --- In [email protected], David Pritts > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Mellowfreezer: Thanks! I currently solve the cross on the top of the > cube, but I think I know what you mean how it would be easier to solve > the first two layers simultaneously if all of the work you were doing > was not at the bottom of the cube. Do you think that most people do it > the bottom way? If so, i would trust their judgement and learn to do > it that way. For the time being, I guess i'll just start doing it your > way. > > > > Those algorithms look really intimidating; right now i'm able to > solve the cube using a total of i think 9 algorithms... but I guess i > should just start memorizing them? How long is this supposed to take > me? :-) > > > > Thanks > > > > David > > > > > > mellowfreezer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get ready for > > some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. > > Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you insert a > > corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, allowing you > > to essentially do 2 layers at once. > > > > It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is always > > just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom > > because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is easier > > to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand but I > > don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the > > bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on that. > > > > Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on > > Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page allows > > you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the > > cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page of the > > algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it in your > > pocket and what not. > > > > Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat > > mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm > > assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first flipping > > the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, > > then moving the corners to their right places and then individually > > flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you a lot > > of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the pieces > > face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their right > > places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you want to > > cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to memorize, I > > would first learn the F2L. > > > > > > > > > > The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look ahead. > > Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to find the > > next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while > > you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the > > moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without > > delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next > > pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go right > > into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down your > > F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, you can > > start to speed up. > > > > I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just a few > > days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for Matt and > > I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still > > struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found either an > > edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I finish > > inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. > > Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L method I > > use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the > > current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the > > bottom layer somewhere else. > > > > Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can > help me! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], David Pritts > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and second > > layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not sure > > which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any > > suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to solve > > F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with any of > > the names of sites. > > > > > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", etc? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > David > > > Matt Moberly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was using your > > method > > > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following steps: > > > > > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL until > > I had a > > > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on its own > > > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I didn't > > move on > > > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. That > > helps a > > > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > > > > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges first > > using my > > > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute > the LL. > > > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all > edges are > > > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, > > instead of > > > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the Fridrich > > > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I > > went from 3 > > > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to solve > > with a > > > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms > until I > > > > got my average under 60s. > > > > > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. I've seen > > > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that > would be a > > > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to work > > out on > > > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you > get the > > > > hang of them. > > > > > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to another > > > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly about this > > with > > > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I > > understand > > > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely ridiculous to > > > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew exactly > > > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm doing it > > > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys use... the > > > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather not try > > > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 seconds > > > > > > > > > > David Pritts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > > > just going to [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > > > consistently without having to look at any references (thanks to > > > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my questions > > > > > in the past few days). 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