Oh its you, hahahaha I did what you told me not to do. But the thing is, for beginners, the F2L isn't exactly intuitive if you've never done it before. At least get some experience, some sense of the F2L before you go and experiment on your own. True, I don't know how use empty slots, as a matter of fact I don't even know what it is, but I still wouldn't be able to even if I hadn't looked at the site. Haha if the F2L was intuitive without looking at algorithms, then solving the rubik's cube wouldn't be very special because everyone would be able to do it.
Btw, I am very interested to hear about how to do the F2L in under 40 moves o.O --- In [email protected], "Craig Bouchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm only giving 1 cent...don't want to give even 2 cents...and If I go > for 2 I'll give you 25...so anyways... > > I just learn F2L not long ago...and am starting to get fairly decent > with it...need to learn to lookahead better and stuff...but that > obviously comes with time...I was planning on locking myself in my > room one day and learning them...but then I was told otherwise...and > now I know intuitive...its much better...you get used to the cases too > so you are pretty much executing algorithms...and if you just blindly > memorise the algorithms then you won't use Empty Slots and other fun > stuff...but you know...go ahead...learn algs and take >40 moves for > F2L every solve...have fun :) If anyone wants to hear my other few > cents...you know where to find me, e-mail, Yahoo, MSN... > > Craig > > --- In [email protected], "Daniel Jih" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > But the site makes so much sense! It practically gives you the > > intuitive steps! Well actually I'm beginning to see your point. I'm > > experimenting with the F2L myself only occasionally glancing at the > > site. I am already beginning to see what to do without having even > > memorized any algorithms. > > > > --- In [email protected], sgowal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Apparently it is not said enough: Do not learn F2L by heart !!! > > > > > > You can look at the algs to help you figure out the pairing process > > > but the F2L should be intuitive. > > > > > > My 2 cents, > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Daniel Jih" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Like I said, it's all personal preference. The way I see it, you > have > > > > to do the Last Layer face up anyways so if you do the cross on > the top > > > > you still have to flip everything over sooner or later, why not just > > > > start with the cross on the bottom and save yourself a step. > > > > > > > > Yes 42 algorithms is a lot but take your time learning them > > > > thoroughly. Actually, just today someone showed me another F2L > method > > > > which is a bit more efficient. =D http://cubewhiz.com/f2l.html > > > > I made it into a printable page using the graphics from the > > > > speedcubing.com site: > http://home.comcast.net/~djspazy/rubiks/f2l.html > > > > For people like you and I, we just want to focus on the FR: of each > > > > case. That is solving for the pair in the Front Right corner of the > > > cube. > > > > > > > > Basically you see those moves inside the ( ), those are > triggers. You > > > > can do those moves really really quickly with just a flick of your > > > > wrist. I personally think this method is far more efficient and > quick > > > > and actually, if you slow down to observe what's happening, the > > > > algorithm is actually pretty much intuitive. > > > > > > > > If you notice, most of the cases have a mirror case. Like you look > > > > case #25 on cubewhiz site, it's mirror is case number 38. So 25 the > > > > pieces were on the right, now 38 theyre on the left flipped over the > > > > diagonal of the cube. So in most cases, by learning one of the > > > > algorithms, chances are you will know its mirror and so you actually > > > > learn 2. But do not attempt to memorize them all in a week. Do > > > > perhaps 4 a day on the weekdays, that's 20 which is a lot. Spend the > > > > week end reviewing all that you have learned. You don't want to > learn > > > > them so fast that you end up forgetting them at the end. The > point is > > > > to thoroughly learn them. > > > > > > > > The site also gives you algorithms for when the pair is in the FR: > > > > front left, BR: back right, BL: back left corner, but that is > way too > > > > much memorization for now. In the future once you have mastered the > > > > FR, you might consider coming back to these because those are > helpful > > > > in that you don't have to always rotate the cube so much to > solve the > > > > FR corner. Once you identify a pair that goes in the BR corner, you > > > > don't have to rotate your cube so that the BR corner is in the FR > > > > position to solve it. > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], David Pritts > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mellowfreezer: Thanks! I currently solve the cross on the top > of the > > > > cube, but I think I know what you mean how it would be easier to > solve > > > > the first two layers simultaneously if all of the work you were > doing > > > > was not at the bottom of the cube. Do you think that most people > do it > > > > the bottom way? If so, i would trust their judgement and learn to do > > > > it that way. For the time being, I guess i'll just start doing > it your > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > Those algorithms look really intimidating; right now i'm able to > > > > solve the cube using a total of i think 9 algorithms... but I > guess i > > > > should just start memorizing them? How long is this supposed to take > > > > me? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mellowfreezer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > David, I was about right where you are a month ago :). Get > > ready for > > > > > some major improvements in speed when you take this next step. > > > > > Basically you want the F2L right? What it does is it lets you > > insert a > > > > > corner and its corresponding edge piece at the same time, > > allowing you > > > > > to essentially do 2 layers at once. > > > > > > > > > > It depends on where you want the cross. Like the 1st step is > always > > > > > just to solve the cross. I choose to solve the cross on the bottom > > > > > because then I'm looking for the F2L pairs on the top which is > > easier > > > > > to see. Some people choose to hold the cross in the left hand > but I > > > > > don't really like that. I'm not saying you have to solve it on the > > > > > bottom but whatever you prefer, the F2L methods vary depending on > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, F2L for beginners, I started with the algorithms on > > > > > Speedcubing.com: http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l.html that page > > allows > > > > > you to choose the method for whatever side you prefer to solve the > > > > > cross. The site's nice because it gives you a printable page > of the > > > > > algorithms with all of them on 1 single page so you can put it > > in your > > > > > pocket and what not. > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry about the 3 look and 4 look yet until you've somewhat > > > > > mastered the F2L. Those are methods to solving the last layer. I'm > > > > > assuming that you learned how to do the last layer by first > flipping > > > > > the edges of the last layer up, moving them to their right places, > > > > > then moving the corners to their right places and then > individually > > > > > flipping those up. Basically what these methods do is save you > a lot > > > > > of time and a lot of moves. Basically you can just flip all the > > pieces > > > > > face up with 1 or 2 steps, and then move all the pieces to their > > right > > > > > places with the last step. Learning this is essential if you > want to > > > > > cube in under 60 seconds although since there is much to > memorize, I > > > > > would first learn the F2L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next step after you learn the F2L, is learning how to look > > ahead. > > > > > Basically to become efficient at the F2L you must be able to > > find the > > > > > next corner/edge pair while you're solving the 1st one. Like while > > > > > you're doing the cross you find the 1st corner/edge pair and the > > > > > moment you finish the cross you can go right into the F2L without > > > > > delay. While you're putting that pair in place, look for the next > > > > > pair, and the moment you're done with the 1st pair you can go > right > > > > > into the 2nd pair without delay. To do this you must slow down > your > > > > > F2L to give yourself time. Once you are able to look ahead, > you can > > > > > start to speed up. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do it myself and I'm starting to try it just > > a few > > > > > days ago but it's really hard. Does anyone have any tips for > > Matt and > > > > > I? I just can't seem to do it. I'm slowing down but I'm still > > > > > struggling to keep track of the pieces. Usually I've found > either an > > > > > edge or a corner, but I don't see the 2nd piece until after I > finish > > > > > inserting the current pair, which ruins the entire point really. > > > > > Usually I see the pair but because of the nature of the F2L > method I > > > > > use, I think I know where it is but after I finish inserting the > > > > > current pair, I find that the piece is actually somewhere on the > > > > > bottom layer somewhere else. > > > > > > > > > > Phew that was long. Hope this helps you Matt and hope someone can > > > > help me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], David Pritts > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine/Matt -- at the moment, I solve the first layer and > second > > > > > layer seperately. I took a look at a couple sites, but I'm not > sure > > > > > which one to use... they seem a little difficult to follow. Any > > > > > suggestions for what sites I should visit for learning how to > solve > > > > > F2L pairs? Please provide links beacuse I am not familiar with > > any of > > > > > the names of sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, what is meant by a "4 look method" or a "3 look method", > > > etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > Matt Moberly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Right on. F2L pairs is your definite next step. I was > > using your > > > > > method > > > > > > and picked up Fridrich in manageable chunks using the following > > > steps: > > > > > > > > > > > > I learned F2L pairs from Fridrich's site and stuck to the 4LLL > > until > > > > > I had a > > > > > > consistent sub 30 time on F2L. F2L pairs is easy to learn on > > > its own > > > > > > because you can set each algorithm up to practice quickly. I > > didn't > > > > > move on > > > > > > from each algorithm until I really understood how it worked. > That > > > > > helps a > > > > > > ton in reducing your decision making time for each pair. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I created a sort of 3 look LL method by orienting edges > first > > > > > using my > > > > > > old method and using Fridrich to orient the corners and permute > > > > the LL. > > > > > > There are only 6 Fridrich LL orientation algorithms where all > > > > edges are > > > > > > already oriented, so it seemed like a good small chunk to learn, > > > > > instead of > > > > > > trying to memorize all 41 or w/e at once. I had to break the > > > Fridrich > > > > > > method into reasonable chunks to keep from giving up. :-) But I > > > > > went from 3 > > > > > > min. solves using your method to sub 60 very quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/06, Jasmine Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub-60s is definitely possible with a 4-look LL. I used to > > solve > > > > > with a > > > > > > > 4-look LL and didn't really bother learning more LL algorithms > > > > until I > > > > > > > got my average under 60s. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's possible to go much faster than 60s with 4-look LL. > > I've seen > > > > > > > people do 30s solves with a 4-look LL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you solving with F2L pairs? If not then I'd advise that > > > > would be a > > > > > > > very valuable next step. F2L pairs are not that difficult to > > work > > > > > out on > > > > > > > your own and they'll really improve your solve times once you > > > > get the > > > > > > > hang of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, re working stuff out on your own (just referring to > another > > > > > > > discussion string on the group), I feel pretty strongly > > about this > > > > > with > > > > > > > regard to the F2L. Even now I never use an F2L trick unless I > > > > > understand > > > > > > > exactly how it works. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jasmine > > > > > > > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:06:50 -0800 (PST), "David Pritts" > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure? It seems like it would be absolutely > > ridiculous to > > > > > > > > cut down the time that much. Even if I did no thinking or > > > > > > > > looking at the cube at all, but instead just always knew > > exactly > > > > > > > > which algorithm to use instantly, I think the way I'm > doing it > > > > > > > > now would still take over a minute... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even so, I'll eventually want to start getting more > > > > > > > > advanced and using some of the methods that you guys > > use... the > > > > > > > > methods which allow you to do cubes in 20 seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the time being, I'm looking for any methods which are > > > > > > > > slightly faster than my current method, but I'd rather > not try > > > > > > > > to learn any of the hardest methods first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know.. thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thebunze wrote: > > > > > > > > with that method you use now, you could get less than 60 > > seconds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Pritts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey -- Jason, you > > > > > > > > said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend > > > > > > > > just going to > [1]http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and > > > > > > > > learning the method there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube > > > > > > > > consistently without having to look at any references > > (thanks to > > > > > > > > the help provided by many of you who have answered my > > questions > > > > > > > > in the past few days). 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