So the determining factor is who uses the space, not what the
occupancy is? How do you control that? If the classroom is for the
entire college, not just the residents (and it may then still be
occupied when the roof burns off), does this still apply?
At 06:12 PM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
AS being one that as screamed from his soap box about inappropriate
use of 13R with mixed occupancies, this is exactly the type that
should allow a 13R system. The building code can not address the
nuance of "other occupancies" depending on the sole use of the
residential occupants so 13R provided guidance. Are the classrooms
expected to remain in use if the roof burns off - NO. They are there
just for the residents to use. The exception to this philosophy is
when you have a concentrated use (ie bigger assembly uses).
Roland
On Feb 9, 2007, at 2:51 PM, George Church wrote:
Let's put this in perspective:
One 535 SF classroom
One 312 SF Conf room
One 160 SF Office
Two 106 SF offices
One 118 SF Laundry
That's substantially less than run of the mill hotel back of house.
Are the business offices of a hotel, not to mention their
conference rooms,
incidental to the running of a hotel? Commercial laundries, not a
7' x 17'
cubby.
glc
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To me this sounds like a 13 system. Incidental is defined as "of a
minor, casual or subordinate nature". I'm not sure that offices and
classrooms fall under that category for an otherwise residential
occupancy since that could stand on their own. My thought is that an
incidental occupancy (such as an office or laundry room for a hotel)
is one that could not reasonably exist without the primary
(residential). I vote for mixed use, hence 13.
At 04:05 PM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
We have a project in which the majority of the building is dorm
rooms;
2nd flr (top) is all dorms, with a few more dorm rooms and a few
classrooms
and offices on the first floor. Small basement is mechanical only.
Entire building footprint is a whopping
The classrooms are for the use of the students that reside in the
dorm;
Offices for faculty that teach there.
Overall concept is suburban campus college has this building in
the city
for
students to study government and urban life. So the non- residential areas
are incidental to the residential nature of the building.
The Architect has deemed the building A3 for the first floor, R2
on 2nd
floor. Naturally the one hour separation is at the first floor
ceiling.
If this sounds a little strange, at least it's not #13TR, elderly
housing
over tire storage:) This IS located in a locale where 13d tank/ pumps feed
3
story office buildings, with poly tanks located in restaurant
storage area,
and CPVC in OH2. Sure, that will make the judge understand ?
Anyway, would % of use and other uses being for the occupants make
this
look
#13R to any of you?
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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