Hello 

I have a FTP-5-C in my shop now with listing labels on it. Gets installed 
Tuesday.

Saturday, October 27, 2007, 4:09:27 PM, you wrote:

> Yes they do! The Fire X trol line is both UL and asme compliant. (If you 
> have attended the AFSA convention in Phoenix, you should have received or 
> will shortly receive the CD for sizing , listing and product selection) For 
> those not in attendance look on line.

> Thom McMahon
> Firetech, Inc.
> 2560 Copper Ridge Dr
> Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
> Tel: 970-879-7952
> Fax: 970-879-7926
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: 13-R Anti freeze conversions/ new question



>> Amtrol does NOT manufacture an expansion tank listed for fire  protection
>> use. The Standard requires a LISTED expansion tank.
>> Young Engineering is the only company currently manufacturing expansion
>> tanks listed for fire protection use.

>> Forest Wilson
>> Cherokee Fire




>> In a message dated 10/25/2007 6:33:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> I would  suggest you consider Amtrol's Fire-X expansion chamber, I found 
>> them
>> to be  a bit cheaper, they assist with sizing (glycerin's expansion is 
>> much
>> less  than a glycol-water mix so the chamber size is smaller than glycol) 
>> and
>> will send you the selection paperwork and sizing help.  I asked  about
>> software and was told "soon".  It was a benefit for me that they  were in 
>> New
>> England (RI) too.
>> Build a closet, insulate it and heat  it.

>> Funny you mention mid-landings.  We started doing them as  well, more for
>> liability reasons.  We also do Bathrooms if they have  any in their 
>> Basement.
>> We're seeing a trend for a half bath in many single  and multi residential
>> projects lately, and garages under the living areas  in part of the 
>> Basement
>> or stepped up, attached.  I just do a 2 or 4  head calc (if they have that
>> many) on the dry heads for the  garage.

>> Tom
>> GRS


>> Not to mention a listed expansion  chamber. Which in some cases is the 
>> most
>> expensive part of the  equation.

>> Richard L. Mote CET
>> Designer
>> Rowe Sprinkler Systems,  Inc


>>> NEW Question:
>>> Our practice has always been to  protect under stair mid-landings in 13D.
>>> There is no specific  requirement to do this but we have always felt the
>>> this is protection  for the "Main Route of Egress" which only makes sense
>>> if your entire  system is only to provide enough time for the occupants 
>>> to
>>> safely  leave the home. What have others been doing and why?

>>> Thom  McMahon


>>> I assume that these systems are not CPVC since  CPVC is incompatible with
>>> most antifreeze.

>>> Paul J.  Pinigis, P.E.
>>> Chief Life Safety Engineer


>>> We  have been asked to convert many (100+) existing 13-R systems to
>>>  anti-freeze. The valve groups are
>>> installed in unheated garages (with  heat tape) but the garages are
>>> sprinklered and freeze
>>>  occasionally. Garages cannot be isolated for dry sidewalls due to
>>>  configuration. All homes are owned
>>> by a single  company.

>>> My basic question: Is this a good idea? Wouldn't it  be cheaper in both
>>> the long and short run to heat
>>> garages to  40+ F? These are in the NE USA but below the Mason Dixon
>>> line.  Comments welcome.


>>> Burton  Ford


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