For what it is worth - I agree with Roland on this.? The one point that is 
important is that if elevations were taken into account, the results for 
converting ot a 'K' factor are not valid.? The elevation loss will always be 
constant - if it is a 10 ft. elevation, the loss will be 4.33 psi.? If you run 
this loss?in the calculation of the 'K' factor, and you adjust for a new 
pressure or flow, the constant elevation loss will be re-adjusted as part of 
the calculation.? In order to be accurate, the elevation losses should be 
accounted for separately - calc the 'K' factor for the friction loss and end 
pressure required and re-apply the elevation losses.



Tom Prymak


-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:19 am
Subject: Re: Its tough getting old



I disagree completely with what you said but agree completely with what you 
meant.?
?
You can convert all such flow and pressure points to an EQUIVALENT k-factor 
(might as well call it as identified in 13 so as to differentiate from 
sprinklers)?
?
It is NOT 100% accurate since it does not account well for significant changes 
in friction loss. Typically the change in flow is not that large so THE main 
rule of sprinkler hydraulics is applied. That being - it's close enough. For 
instance, the allowed k-factor range for a 1/2"orifice is 5.2 to 5.8. For OHGI 
at 130 sf requiring a flow of 19.5 gpm, the pressure for 5.2 is 14.1 psi and 
for 5.8 is 11.3 psi but we use a nominal 5.6.?
?
The process is not intended to being driven by academic purity. It's intended 
to provide a reliable and repeatable process THAT WORKS.?
?
Roland?
?
On May 23, 2008, at 6:17 AM, Pip Males (Shared Services, IT, Manchester) wrote:?
?
> nything with a flow and a pressure, like a system demand, can be > converted?
> to a K factor."?
>?
>?
>?
> NOT STRICTLY TRUE:-?
>?
>?
>?
> Any pipe work system has a characteristic (system curve) similar to > (but 
> not?
> the same as) a discharging device. As a pipe work system has pipes > which?
> perform to a 1.85 law and discharging devices that perform to a > square law?
> the form of the system curve is somewhere between a pure square law > and a?
> pure 1.85 law.?
>?
?
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