Yep.  But try finding this one in the archives!

Cliff Whitfield, SET
Fire Design, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Willis
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Its tough getting old

You have to love this forum... What started as a joke about old age and
forgetting, turned right back on topic with technical discussion.

R/
Matt

Matthew J. Willis
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC.
1160 McKenzie Rd.
PO Box 877
Cantonment, FL. 32533
850-937-1850 Voice
850-937-1852 Facsimile
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----- >-----Original Message-----
----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
----- >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
----- >Behalf Of Pip Males (Shared Services, IT, Manchester)
----- >Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:18 AM
----- >To: [email protected]
----- >Subject: RE: Its tough getting old
----- >
----- >"Anything with a flow and a pressure, like a system 
----- >demand, can be converted to a K factor."
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >NOT STRICTLY TRUE:-
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >Any pipe work system has a characteristic (system curve) 
----- >similar to (but not the same as) a discharging device. 
----- >As a pipe work system has pipes which perform to a 1.85 
----- >law and discharging devices that perform to a square law 
----- >the form of the system curve is somewhere between a pure 
----- >square law and a pure 1.85 law.
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >It is quite a common practice to take the demand point 
----- >and use the flow and pressure in the discharging device 
----- >formula (Q = KvP) to calculate a k-factor for the 
----- >system. This is then used to produce a square law system 
----- >curve or to add an existing calculated system to a 
----- >larger system. This is incorrect and should be avoided 
----- >whenever possible.
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >The following graph illustrates the problem. The system 
----- >curve was generated by effectively producing lots of 
----- >demand points by setting the minimum pressure 
----- >requirement at the most remote head to various values.
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >The nozzle characteristic is a square law curve produced 
----- >by equating the system to a k-factor derived from the (Q 
----- >= KvP) formula using the flow and pressure at the 
----- >original demand calculation. As can be seen the only 
----- >place that the curves agree is at the demand point.
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >Of course if you use a computer program and model all 
----- >systems discharging in the one model you get the true 
----- >result and do not have a problem.
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >Best Regards,
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >Pip Males
----- >
----- >CAD Manager(FIRECAD(r))
----- >
----- >Tyco Fire & Integrated Solutions
----- >
----- >Manchester
----- >
----- >UK
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >-----Original Message-----
----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
----- >Behalf Of George Church
----- >Sent: 22 May 2008 20:26
----- >To: [email protected]
----- >Subject: RE: Its tough getting old
----- >
----- > 
----- >
----- >K equals q over radical p
----- >
----- >
----- >
----- >
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