We have the LIABILITY no matter what or who say's OK. But Liability is like
Peanut Butter, the more you spread it, the more it sticks to someone else.

As far as any definition of what a cloud ceiling is or isn't, I would like
to propose that the committee refine a definition for chapter 3.7. 

I.E. "A cloud ceiling is any ceiling where more than 50% of the perimeter is
not touching a wall, or the gap at the wall exceeds 2 inches."

Or an alternate "A cantilever ceiling is one where more than 50% of the
ceiling extends to the wall, and the remainder has a gap of less than 2
inches"


Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Floating Ceilings

You're absolutely right, Jeff- IF the PE is competent.
<see previous threads kicking this to death>
He does have FPE(s?) on staff available

glc

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Hewitt
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Floating Ceilings

I have been watching this thread with interest, and finally have to ask (and

yes, I am sure this will stir the pot as well)....

This particular issue is one which requires more than just mundane 
interpretation of the NFPA 13 standard.  Who should be doing the 
interpreting???  NICET technicians, or PE"s, or ???

My gut feeling here is that if you choose to support the more liberal 
interpretation, that this will NOT require both above and below protection, 
especially without any significant test data to back it up at this point, 
that this is not the place for a NICET technician to make this decision, or 
for that matter to try to "sell" it to the local AHJ.  Do you really want 
that liability?  Not to mention whether you are exceeding your "authority" 
under NICET rules for practicing engineering?




Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member)
Corporate Engineer
Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation
241 Hughes Lane
St. Charles, MO  63301
636-946-0011
636-946-5172 (FAX)


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