Hi Chris, Apples and Oranges. In the context of the discussion, i.e. what a designer can do, it's the designers responsibility to "demonstrate compliance". For example, if you submit sprinkler plans and don't declare a hazard we reject them based on the fact they we aren't able to determine compliance with the standard. The hazard classification is provided for in the sprinkler standard. Likewise if you want to take the QR Reduction Credit you need to tell us otherwise we're on different pages.
But lets dispense with the formalities for a moment, wouldn't you agree that submitting a code reference along with the design simplifies plan review and thus approval ?. So why not do what expedites the process ? John Drucker -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 13 system in SFR Sorry John, as a law enforcement official you are obligated to show me it's wrong. I have no obligation to prove I'm right in any legal context (well except maybe with the IRS). Burden of proof is on the gov't. And in MN an AHJ has to point out the deficiency in writing and give a reasonable time to comply before the gov't (AHJ) can take any legal action. Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 13 system in SFR Thom, Real simple, I'm from Missouri, If you can show me it in the code then you can do it. As for money, agree 100% not the pervue of a municipal AHJ, and frankly we are best left out of it which is why we just want to know how much equipment for permitting purposes and not what it cost. John Drucker -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 13 system in SFR George: Just so you know where it came from the McMansion's are now being replaced by the "McRanchion's" (Yes my own word, soon to be added to all e-space word searches.)Buy a few hundred Ac. Hire a ranch manager, build him a 1800Sf house, then build your 12,000 Sf part time residence, barn and riding arena and claim "Ag" as your property tax bracket. Of course if they need the tax break from Ag, they surly can't afford anything more than the minimum 13D? Well who say's they need more than 13D? Life Safety is the goal, and we all deserve equal access to that. So if you have a McRanchion or a Tract Ranch house, both deserve the 13D protection of a life safety system. For those that CAN afford more and want to pay for it OK! But it should not be the AHJ that decides who can and can't afford more. It's that same old thing one AHJ we deal with allows 13D unabridged for up to 5000Sf, a 13D 3three head design over 5000Sf, and a 13D 4 head design @ 0.10 for any size home with a ceiling pitch over 8/12. (I don't make these up, I just have to follow them.) Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 13 system in SFR "Nothing prevents an owner from increasing the level of protection commiserate with the level of investment in a McMansion." _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, intended to be relied upon by any person or persons other than the individual or entity named above and no warranties or representations are made or intended to persons or entities not named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone, return this message to the address above and delete all copies. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
