How far are you to Wall Drug?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jimmy Waite
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Attic Rule

Todd, you're right about the small space.  The distance along the slope is
only 10 feet.  If I max the head 7'-6 off the eave, I'll be covering 2'-6
the other direction (obviously).  I am also only spaced 8 feet perpendicular
to the slope.  At that spacing I'll be 2'-11 from the top of the joist, and
2'-0 from the bottom.  I'll also be 1'-5 horizontally away from the wall.
We're this simply a peaked ceiling I'd meet all the requirements, but since
it's a combustible concealed space a wrench is thrown in my plans.


Jimmy




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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
- FPDC
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Attic Rule

Jimmy,

I would assume that there is no engineer to throw this question back 
on. I have looked at some similar situations and have used a couple 
of approaches:

First, I try to get them to fill the space with insulation, thus 
eliminating the need for sprinklers.

Next I try to take a practical approach and see what it would take to 
flood the space and get coverage. The typical spacing rules are 
probably out the window, because you physically can't meet all on 
them. I don't know how long this space is, but it sounds similar to 
the canopies on strip malls. I tend to keep the deflector distance 
and distance from the peak within code, make sure the single 
sprinkler can get water to the entire cross-section of the space and 
shrink the sprinkler spacing (8-10 ft instead of 12-14). If a single 
sprinkler goes off in this space, it is probably going to flood it in 
a matter of seconds.

The previous being said, each situation has to be looked at 
individually and what works in one might not in another. You'll have 
to spend some time trying to figure out what is going to happen. 
(yes, that is a disclaimer) It would be also good to talk with the 
AHJ about it. You want to make sure he is on board.

Todd



At 11:38 AM 11/4/2008, you wrote:
>Dear Forum Members,  We are working on a retrofit for a church.  The
>building is entirely wood construction, built with large glu-lams and 14"
>composite trusses (parallel to the glu-lams).  We are protecting a small
>cold space above a balcony.  The roof pitch is 12 in 12, and the cold space
>dies into a full height wall.  So the space is a right triangle (with the
>slope being the hypotenuse), instead of a typical attic and a typical peak.
>8.6.4.1.4.2 (07) says I have to have a head within 12" of the bottom of the
>top chord (TJI).  First, does this rule still apply when I don't have a two
>slopes to protect?  Secondly, if this rules does apply, I'd have to add a
>second line (in a very small space) and I couldn't maintain 6 feet between
>heads, while still being more than 5 feet from the eave?  Please help.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Jimmy Waite
>Burtell Fire Protection
>406-652-7697
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>
>
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