Actually this is the engineering community's problem, not mine. You're the
one's that allow incompetent work to be done by engineers that are neither
qualified or trained to do it. Working "Outside their area of expertise" If
all states licensed engineers by discipline or degree, or had some really
effective bylaws and penalties for engineers that do work outside their
knowledge or training it might help. Most states like Colorado allow the
engineers to "Self Police" their brother engineers, and unless someone dies
or a huge financial loss occurs, they rarely do more than send "censure
notes" to fellow engineers.(Please don't be bad anymore, and take that 3 day
NFPA 13 class, cause that's all the training you need to DESIGN fire
sprinkler systems, because you already know everything else.)

Just as there are good and bad contractors, there are good and bad
engineers. To the good ones I apologize.
To the good ones I say help your selves, do something about all the bad
ones!
For the good and bad contractors? Licensing doesn't work. But educating your
AHj's can help ensure that shoddy work doesn't take place where you work.
Raise the bar for everyone, don't stoop to the level of the competition.

Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Pinigis
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: another fire - this will be interesting

There is your problem!  You have electrical doing fire alarm and mechanical
doing sprinkler!!!  You just defined the need for a qualified FPE to perform
those functions (and many more).  

Paul Pinigis, P.E.
Life Safety Department Head





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