I love boilerplate specs cause I love ignoring the plumbing designer's spec.
When they spec CSC GB heads, I smile. Cause what PE is going to bust my nuts over ignoring the rest of his bs when we'd point out that the heads he spec'd a) aren't available b) cause they're VRP'd and c) Tyco bought CSC a decade ago, where have you been? So we'd point out the licensing board would likely look at this "practicing outside..." or just plain incompetent. It hasn't gotten that far, but the ammo sits beside the keyboard, ready to lock and load. Can't tell ya how many times I've bitten my tongue from asking "so just how many sprkrs have you bought in your life?" But my colleague on the left coast has the all-time absolutely best story of putting a PE in his place that will ever exist on this earth. The GC's PM, after he got off the floor (ROTFL) observed it was the funniest thing he'd ever heard in his career. And to hear it, my colleague and you would have to be at a convention....at a bar...cause no way I can reveal either the gist of the story, the colleague's name, and he tells it SO much better than I ever could. San Diego, next Oct, you'll have to get the suite # from the redhead. Although the way this year looks, we may be in a closet- Marriott upgrades gold level to suites free, but I don't think we're in a Marriott this year :( glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will beinteresting) Making the corporate train move takes a lot of effort, too many committees and others to push along to get the updates. Corporate types just see these kinds of changes (specs) as costing money and if the old one still works no point wasting money changing. The bigger the company the harder it is to make the change. As a contractor do you really care if it's a Div 15, 13 or 21 spec or is it more important that someone actually read the thing and made it relevant to the project before issuing. Boiler plate specs are pretty worthless. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will beinteresting) My final thoughts on this. (I Promise!) When you see spec.'s in Div 15 for fire sprinkler it's a good indication that they don't know fire sprinklers, or haven't updated their spec since 1986 when Fire Sprinklers moved to Div. 13. (That's right you've been seeing the same "Canned" spec that is at least 23 years old. Possibly older than some on this forum.) When you see a spec. in DIV. 13, but you local code is NFPA 13 2007, know that Fire Sprinklers were no longer in Div. 13 when 2007 was adopted, and may not include all its changes and provisions. (In 2004 Fire Suppression was moved to its own DIV. 21)(Alarms are in DIV 28) By the way for those few of you that don't know where the Div. in your bid doc's come from, it's the "Construction Specification institute http://www.csinet.org/s_csi/index.asp Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Sornsin Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:12 PM To: '[email protected]' Subject: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting) Amen, Thom! As a member of the engineering community I completely agree. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
