We have had owner and fitter licensing in Ohio for over 15 years. This is primarily due to a high demand for a sprinkler retrofit law of Nursing homes that every plumber and mechanical contractor was installing. The plans were done by lots of inexperienced designers. It was chaos and laws were passed to help get people trained and licensed including designers. We require NICET sprinkler and alarm technicians now. Fitter apprentices must take classes and pass tests. I think it is necessary to keep Joe the plumber working out of his garage to install equipment with no plans and no approvals.
Arthur Tiroly ATCO Fire Protection Design Tiroly and Associates 3300 King Ave Cleveland, OH 44114 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 cell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Residential systems in California - Licensing One of the biggest problems I HAVE WITH Lic. of fitter's is, where is the accountability? Dev. Colo.Spg. And Fort Collins require lic. fitters on their projects, and the state is looking at a similar requirement. So a fitter screws up something the AHj tested him on, is he required to fix it on his dime? Is he required to be bonded? And if the AHJ pulls his Lic. for his short comings, do you have the right to fire him? I think everyone knows the answers. Individual is never liable, it's always the company. So he fixes his mistakes on your dime. Plumbers are bonded, why not fitters? (Because usually the master plumber that holds the Co. lic. is bonded, not every employee. So once again management pays Under most state laws loss of a Lic. is not grounds for firing. (But you may be able to make him a "Helper" since he no longer hold the Lic.) So what did anyone gain from this exercise in futile rulemaking? (Mo Govoment Gone Wild!!) Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Residential systems in California - Licensing In Washington we got the licensing crammed down our throats but the administration is in the hands of the State FM. Everyone will be tested as well as have to show proof of experience. Not the best world but a decent compromise. So we have licensing/certification for installers/trainees, designers, NFPA 25 inspectors, & contractors, but still not for plan reviewers or AHJ inspectors. Everybody has to meet uniform criteria and so far no group gets any special "grandfathering" apart from temporary certifications so that work can continue during transitions. These temporary certifications have sunset dates and require re-certification annually until the sunset date. Re-certification also requires the holder proving that he is working to meet the criteria for permanent status. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
