All of that's true! However is 13 the only code or standard you use to build a building? All I'm saying is "If your codes include NFPA 101, then you can use that exception." If your jurisdiction has not adopted 101 that could make it un-usable.
There is life beyond 13. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Room Design Thom, This was discussed the other day on forum and was determined that the closet exceptions in 101 that were put into 13 chapter 21 was an oversight and should not be used. Ed Kramer pointed out that "The 2009 ROP (13-444) and the ROC (13-249) have accepted a proposal to move the entire contents of section 21.20 to an annex, showing the intent of the committee". It doesn't make sense to exclude these when 101 had these exemptions before 2002 (chapter 13 then and chapter 21 now) but just because they were compiled for ease in 13 they now apply but didn't then. Usually when there is a conflict AND both standards are applicable the most stringent applies. Rod DiBona Rapid Fire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Room Design Look at NFPA 101 exemption for closets. 26.3.6.3.4 In buildings sprinklered in accordance with NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, closets less than 12 ft2 (1.1 m2) in area in individual dwelling units shall not be required to be sprinklered. And while we're here, back to the water heater/ sprinkler issue. Water heater closets are required by NFPA 101 to be sprinklered. 26.3.6.3.5 In buildings sprinklered in accordance with NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems, closets that contain equipment such as washers, dryers, furnaces, or water heaters shall be sprinklered regardless of size. 26.3.6.3.6 In existing lodging or rooming houses, sprinkler installations Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Room Design Jay, I think you're stuck with including the closet sprinks in your calcs - it would be odd for a residential closet to have self-closing doors. Any idea why the architect wants QR sprinks? Ed Kramer Littleton, CO > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay Stough > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Room Design > > We have an architect that wants to use QR sprinklers, not residential > in a facility. It is independent living, not extended care. some > rooms have 3 closets, all less than 24 sq.ft. There are 4 sprinklers > throughout the living and bath area. Including the closets, the total > area may be 600 sq.ft. I am wondering if there is any way not to > include all 3 closet sprinklers in the remote area. I thought I might > not have to looking at 11.2.3.3.5 (2) (2007 edition) since they might > qualify as communicating spaces with protection, but after rereading > don't think so. Any ideas. > > Jay Stough _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
