Now there is verbiage relating to the prohibition of "foreign" systems not entering or passing through VAULTS,(450.47). However sprinkler protection for the vault can pass through to protect the vault. But this is specifically for transformer VAULTS.
In section 110.21 - 110.26 dealing with electrical installation the restrictions apply to foreign piping running in the WORKING and DEDICATED electrical spaces only. Sprinkler piping has some exemptions to the rules based on some specific installation guidelines. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Pipe passing thru Electrical Equipment Rooms NFPA 70 NEVER SAYS "OTHER SYSTEMS MAY NOT BOTH ENTER AND LEAVE THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT ROOM" It only talks about the dedicated space, as we've discussed many times. The "Show Me" always seems to become "Because I said so" or We've always done it" I love word searches, but I'm pretty sure that "Not" would really require a lot of time to cover all the times it appears in a document of this size. And "Through" is really heavy lifting too. Proving it doesn't exist is really a pain in the butt. Maybe a committee member of 70 could respond? If not a formal interpatation may be called for, since this one seems to never go away. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Pipe passing thru Electrical Equipment Rooms I understand that this spells out the areas sprinkler pipe can and can't go. But where does it say you can or can't pass through the electrical room. Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Pipe passing thru Electrical Equipment Rooms Found it! Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Pipe passing thru Electrical Equipment Rooms Exhibit 110-21,22,23 indicate the spaces required by 110.26(F)and show the allowed locations of sprinkler pipe and other systems in electrical rooms. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Pipe passig thru Electrical Equipment Rooms Well he needs to re-read his NFPA 70, we reviewed this with excerpts from the NFPA 70 Handbook which clearly describes and depicts the allowance of the piping through the room whether it serves that room or not as long as certain clearances were maintained. But hey, whatever, it's his rodeo. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Pipe passig thru Electrical Equipment Rooms Where we are, the electrical inspector does not allow us to enter in and back out of electrical rooms. We can pipe in with pipe for sprinklers but we can not exit out. This includes bringing UG through the floor and exiting through a wall or ceiling. It's kinda like the roach motel - roaches check in but they don't check out! Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Pipe passig thru Electrical Equipment Rooms The pipe is allowed to pass through the electrical room. However there were restricted spaces within the rooms over or in front of certain equipment where the pipes were not permitted to be run. Is your electrical room sprinklered? If it is not it must meet the criteria set forth in #13 and in the Building code otherwise it is to be sprinklered: a. 2 hour fire-rated enclosure including protection for penetrations. b. Only dry type electrical equipment is used. (you need to ask, don't assume this one) c. The room is dedicated to electrical equipment only. d. No combustible storage is permitted to be stored in the room. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eladio N. Alvarado Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Pipe passig thru Electrical Equipment Rooms Forum: I think that this subject may have been previously discussed a long time ago, but I can't remember the final judgment, thus, the question is, how does one justify passing pipe thru electrical or similar type rooms when its prohibited by the NEC code? This particular installation is to meet # 13, Light Hazard, and the local authority has no problem with it, and the rooms have Fire Sprinklers in them, which are mandated by the locals. The objection comes from the EOR. Help would be greatly appreciated. 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