This sounds like a voice of experience...Outstanding advice! Paul Johnson Bardane, Inc. Visioning a competitive workforce (407) 401-7154 - Office (407) 399-5081 - Mobile [email protected] www.bardane.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: wood frame attics
This, like Scot's issue, is a contractual problem. What I have always done is (was since I'm out of that game now) is base my bid on the documents I have and identify those documents by name, page number, date & last revision date, including both plan sheets and specifications, noting also when I know I have an incomplete set that it is incomplete and attach that to the bid/contract as an exhibit. If you get to the job site and find your center of tile layout is wrong because the ceiling tile guy has started at the opposite end than what your plans show or has rotated the grid 90 degrees then the fix is a change order to the GC. When plywood has been added to the trusses that is not shown on your plans or the installer started at the south end when your plans show the north end then the re-design is a change order to the GC. When you get to the site and the building that's there is not the one you were given plans for (this has happened) then.... On the other hand if you don't specify to what stage of plans and specs you've bid and contracted to then the whatever ones the GC has are the ones you'll be biting the bullet on. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Thom McMahon <[email protected]> wrote: > When we see over framing, we usually have to ask for the access hole and > then they make it as small as possible. Usually that means smaller than a > return air register in a ceiling. Unless the fire originates under that > hole, there is no way that you'll have both levels going off at once, and > even then, after the first "Above" sprinkler goes off, the dormer will cool > to the point that a fire below will not set off additional sprinklers > without burn thru of the plywood. > > JMHO > > Thom McMahon, SET > Firetech, Inc. > 2560 Copper Ridge Dr > P.O. Box 882136 > Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 > Tel: 970-879-7952 > Fax: 970-879-7926 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: wood frame attics > > It's more like a cloud ceiling. There is more of a potential for sprinklers > to open both above and below Besides, there is no separation that would > allow any of the sprinklers to be omitted per 13. > > ------Original Message------ > From: Fletcher, Ron > Sender: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Sent: May 8, 2009 9:50 AM > Subject: RE: wood frame attics > > > Why would the sprinklers under the plywood have to be included in the remote > area? Isn't it like putting a head under a duct or some other obstruction? > > Ron Fletcher > Aero Automatic Sprinkler > Phoenix, AZ 85024 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
