The correct calculation is 0.156 x 14 not 140 (the formula given earlier was 
0.156 psi/10 ft.).

So your loss through 140 ft. of cement lined ductile iron would be 2.2 psi at 
1,560 gpm.

[that loss per foot of DI pipe seems a little high to me, but its prolly good 
enough for these purposes]

Mark A. Sornsin, PE
Fire Protection Engineer
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
Fargo, ND
Direct:    701. 280.8591
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: water storage tank

You are correct....the answer I got was "we don't know"........from the horse's 
mouth. Thanks for all of your help, I will let you know how it works out in a 
few hours.

Greg McGahan
Operations Manager

Living Water Fire Protection
1160 McKenzie Road
P.O. Box 877
Cantonment, Florida 32533
(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: water storage tank

Someone designed a water tank and they can't tell you the output? Who
sold that design contract?


At 11:18 AM 8/6/2009, you wrote:
>I am getting info piecemeal from the engineering firm that is in
>charge of the tower. They say they don't
>Know what the residual pressure and flow will be when the tower is
>completed. We have a sprinkler system going in "next door" to the
>tower using the existing water from the old system. However, they
>have installed a 4" pipe with a hydrant instead of 6" (many years
>ago)and nobody knew until we dug it up.
>
>Now we are flowing 600 gpm through a 4" pipe to our source and the
>calcs are too close for comfort. We are looking for a "guesstimate"
>of the available water at the base of the tower without any fittings
>or valves. I can add them in the 8" line from the base to the new
>tie in point where the systems tie together. We are talking about
>needing to pick up 5 to 10 psi  not 20 or 30, so as long as we are
>close we should be good.
>
>This really should fall on the EOR, but as is often the case in this
>region, if we want to finish the job on time, we have to get an
>answer immediately.
>
>So I can say that I should reasonably be able to expect .156 x 140'
>= 22 lbs of loss from the tank to the bottom w/o
>fittings....therefore if we say we should reasonably expect 1,500
>gpm at 35 psi?
>
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