I think they stopped having forum parties because the supply of cheddar and 
jack cheese cubes was depleted by previous get-togethers.   Perhaps next year 
in RI we could do a lobster roll buffet?

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Underground Tank Refill Valve

George,

Somehow I failed to meet Ron.  When I saw the post yesterday I couldn't
believe I had missed him but based on his comments I'll see him next year in
Providence.  I understand that there may even be a "forum get together" like
we had a few years ago.  Not sure why they stopped having them.

Back on the subject, I learned something invaluable during the NFPA 20
session.  Based on the minimum submergence requirement in 7.2.2.2.1 (quoting
07 now) you need quite a bit of water left in the tank to accomplish this.
I have never done a Vertical Turbine in an underground tank but you
obviously have to oversize the tank to be sure that you compensate for this.


Once again, another jewel from the conference.  Keeping from making mistakes
can be priceless as well.  I would hate to have to pay for (or have my E&O
pay for) removal and replacement of a tank because I had missed this in 20.
Especially since this probably wouldn't be realized until the acceptance
test when the client was ready to move into their new facility.  Ouch!

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Underground Tank Refill Valve

I think the operative phrase is PRICELESS

Cliff gets bonus points for attending, too- 
Don't know if he and Ron had a meet and greet.
Aero had numerous attendees that were probably sleep-deprived on the way
home :)

glc

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve
Kowkabany
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:29 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Underground Tank Refill Valve

Pretty impressive.  Thanks a lot guys.


Steve Kowkabany, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC
60 Ocean Boulevard, Suite 15
Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
904-652-4200 Phone
904-212-0868 Fax 

We have moved.  Please note our new address.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:57 PM
To: AFSA
Subject: Re: Underground Tank Refill Valve

Not bad at all.  Also, go to Bermad's web site; they have two or three
float-activated valves up to at least 8" diameter.  


SL

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:33:10 
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Underground Tank Refill Valve


48 minutes for a solution, after hours. 

Not bad. 

Bruce V. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Greenman" <[email protected]> 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:30:34 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Underground Tank Refill Valve 

Steve, 

Try this: 

http://www.flomatic.com/index.asp?lg=1&w=pages&r=95&pid=240 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Steve Kowkabany <[email protected]>
wrote: 
> Does anyone have a recommendation for the specific type of valve that I 
> could use to automatically refill an underground 10,000 gallon Xerxes fire

> water tank? It will be refilled by a 4" line from the public water main. 
> I'm envisioning a float valve like toilet's use, but I can't say I have
ever 
> seen one that big. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks very much, 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Kowkabany, P.E. 
> 
> Fire Protection Engineer 
> 
> Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC 
> 
> 60 Ocean Boulevard, Suite 15 
> 
> Atlantic Beach, FL 32233 
> 
> 904-652-4200 Phone 
> 
> 904-212-0868 Fax 
> 
> 
> 
> We have moved. Please note our new address. 
> 
> 
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Fire Protection Engineering 
Bates Technical College 
Tacoma, WA 

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