Google search: "Great Unwashed" may have been first used by Edward George Earl Bulwer-Lytton in his 1830 novel "Paul Clifford." Although Shakespeare may have first used the "unwashed" as a reference for a lower class of people. (I either need a hobby or another boat to restore)
Getting back to sprinklers, I wish I knew a way to either get these people educated (although you can bring a horticulture, but you can't make her think) or something to get them exposed. My guess is they only care about the check at the end of the job. At 05:45 PM 11/2/2009, you wrote: >I believe we're going way back before Spiro to the caste system in India. >"Around the world in 80 days" had an illustration of some of its pitfalls. > >In this case, I'm referring to those that take 10 seconds to see the >pressure requirements for a new sprinkler, skip the installation guidelines >and restrictions, don't bother getting a copy of the 2002 #13 since they >still have a perfectly good 1996 edition... Those that don't participate in >this Forum or similar means of educating themselves for what we all do and >many of us take seriously- as if lives depended on us. The Ignorant. > >And I'm certainly not taking a position that a caste system is good- 1st >class air travel excepted. > >glc > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams >Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:05 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Incompatible products with CPVC > >What is interesting in the case I originally posted this about is >that pipe from 4 different manufacturers was installed on this job. >All of the failures occurred with one manufacturer. I am prevented >from going into any more detail because there is pending litigation. >As soon as I can, I will. > >BTW, this is the same job from my other post where the ITM contractor >showed up for the test without tools. > >"Unwashed", GC? Isn't that a simplification of "the great unwashed" >which I believe was a quote by Spiro Agnew? > > > > >At 04:52 PM 11/2/2009, you wrote: > >Along that line, Steve, I understand from a discussion with peers (50 of >em, > >not just our peer group) this Spring that the environmental stress frature > >problem is being handled much better than initially. > > > >This was probably THE hottest topic in that discussion - with some wanting > >to remain quiet about their problems with ESF, and some quite vocal, >bitter, > >and feeling abandoned by those that could/should provide them support. > > > >The damages were tens of millions- nothing to be taken lightly by design > >professionals, contractors, GCs/CMs or owners. Imagine a large residential > >complex, occupied, with drywall ceilings and cracking pipe. > > > >Understand we've replaced 3 year old Allied galvanized pipe so this is not > >intended to be a slam at CPVC in any way, shape or form- we use it daily. > >As Mr. Muncy points out, > >"Almost EVERY product has potential problems..." and I'll chop it early > >since the problems aren't limited to compatibility- often the unwashed >don't > >bother reading the mfr's installation guidelines and install outside > >listings, or even more basic, don't bother to read the code and miss the > >basics like interstitial space heads, pump churns over 200 PSI, etc. > > > >If any of you have encountered ESF problems, there's a guy quite > >knowledgeable in the handling of them- and some of the baggage that's been > >around, hopefully removed- I could track down for ya. > > > >glc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Muncy > >Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 4:30 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Incompatible products with CPVC > > > >I don't normally weigh in on these issues, but I didn't see a response > >to this posting. > > > >Lubrizol (BlazeMaster) has been aggressive in testing products to > >assure compatibility with CPVC. This list of incompatible products is > >much shorter than the listing of compatible products. My > >understanding is that when BlazeMaster tests and puts a product on its > >compatibility list, then Lubrizol stands behind their assertion of > >compatibility as long as nothing changes in the composition of that > >product (which is common sense.) > > > >It is wise for any company using CPVC to be aware of incompatible > >products, and reassuring to know what products have been tested and > >listed by Lubrizol as compatible with CPVC. > > > >You can get on the notification list at the Lubrizol web site to get > >updates on new products added to their incompatible and compatible > >lists. > > > >(This isn't a commercial for CPVC - but concerns about incompatibility > >should be taken seriously. Almost EVERY product has potential problems > >with incompatibility and it is helpful to have a source to check for > >known problems.) > > > > > > > >Steve A. Muncy, CAE - President > >American Fire Sprinkler Assn. -- FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES! > >Dallas, TX > >http://www.firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > >On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Russell wrote: > > > > > I may be the last person on this forum to know this but I felt I > > > should > > > share anyway. This link lists things that are incompatible with > > > CPVC. As it > > > turns out about the only thing it is compatible with is itself! > > > > > > http://www.lubrizol.com/BuildingSolutions/ChemicalCompatibility.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Russell Rewis > > > Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc. > > > 107C Hemlock Street > > > Valdosta, Georgia 31601 > > > 229-244-8130 > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >Todd G. Williams, PE >Fire Protection Design/Consulting >Stonington, Connecticut >www.fpdc.com >860.535.2080 >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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