Google search: "Great Unwashed" may have been first used by Edward 
George Earl Bulwer-Lytton in his 1830 novel "Paul Clifford." Although 
Shakespeare may have first used the "unwashed" as a reference for a 
lower class of people. (I either need a hobby or another boat to restore)

Getting back to sprinklers, I wish I knew a way to either get these 
people educated (although you can bring a horticulture, but you can't 
make her think) or something to get them exposed. My guess is they 
only care about the check at the end of the job.



At 05:45 PM 11/2/2009, you wrote:
>I believe we're going way back before Spiro to the caste system in India.
>"Around the world in 80 days" had an illustration of some of its pitfalls.
>
>In this case, I'm referring to those that take 10 seconds to see the
>pressure requirements for a new sprinkler, skip the installation guidelines
>and restrictions, don't bother getting a copy of the 2002 #13 since they
>still have a perfectly good 1996 edition... Those that don't participate in
>this Forum or similar means of educating themselves for what we all do and
>many of us take seriously- as if lives depended on us. The Ignorant.
>
>And I'm certainly not taking a position that a caste system is good- 1st
>class air travel excepted.
>
>glc
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
>Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:05 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Incompatible products with CPVC
>
>What is interesting in the case I originally posted this about is
>that pipe from 4 different manufacturers was installed on this job.
>All of the failures occurred with one manufacturer. I am prevented
>from going into any more detail because there is pending litigation.
>As soon as I can, I will.
>
>BTW, this is the same job from my other post where the ITM contractor
>showed up for the test without tools.
>
>"Unwashed", GC? Isn't that a simplification of "the great unwashed"
>which I believe was a quote by Spiro Agnew?
>
>
>
>
>At 04:52 PM 11/2/2009, you wrote:
> >Along that line, Steve, I understand from a discussion with peers (50 of
>em,
> >not just our peer group) this Spring that the environmental stress frature
> >problem is being handled much better than initially.
> >
> >This was probably THE hottest topic in that discussion - with some wanting
> >to remain quiet about their problems with ESF, and some quite vocal,
>bitter,
> >and feeling abandoned by those that could/should provide them support.
> >
> >The damages were tens of millions- nothing to be taken lightly by design
> >professionals, contractors, GCs/CMs or owners. Imagine a large residential
> >complex, occupied, with drywall ceilings and cracking pipe.
> >
> >Understand we've replaced 3 year old Allied galvanized pipe so this is not
> >intended to be a slam at CPVC in any way, shape or form- we use it daily.
> >As Mr. Muncy points out,
> >"Almost EVERY product has potential problems..." and I'll chop it early
> >since the problems aren't limited to compatibility- often the unwashed
>don't
> >bother reading the mfr's installation guidelines and install outside
> >listings, or even more basic, don't bother to read the code and miss the
> >basics like interstitial space heads, pump churns over 200 PSI, etc.
> >
> >If any of you have encountered ESF problems, there's a guy quite
> >knowledgeable in the handling of them- and some of the baggage that's been
> >around, hopefully removed- I could track down for ya.
> >
> >glc
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email protected]
> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Muncy
> >Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 4:30 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: Incompatible products with CPVC
> >
> >I don't normally weigh in on these issues, but I didn't see a response
> >to this posting.
> >
> >Lubrizol (BlazeMaster) has been aggressive in testing products to
> >assure compatibility with CPVC. This list of incompatible products is
> >much shorter than the listing of compatible products.  My
> >understanding is that when BlazeMaster tests and puts a product on its
> >compatibility list, then Lubrizol stands behind their assertion of
> >compatibility as long as nothing changes in the composition of that
> >product (which is common sense.)
> >
> >It is wise for any company using CPVC to be aware of incompatible
> >products, and reassuring to know what products have been tested and
> >listed by Lubrizol as compatible with CPVC.
> >
> >You can get on the notification list at the Lubrizol web site to get
> >updates on new products added to their incompatible and compatible
> >lists.
> >
> >(This isn't a commercial for CPVC - but concerns about incompatibility
> >should be taken seriously. Almost EVERY product has potential problems
> >with incompatibility and it is helpful to have a source to check for
> >known problems.)
> >
> >
> >
> >Steve A. Muncy, CAE - President
> >American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       -- FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES!
> >Dallas, TX
> >http://www.firesprinkler.org
> >
> >
> >
> >On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Russell wrote:
> >
> > > I may be the last person on this forum to know this but I felt I
> > > should
> > > share anyway. This link lists things that are incompatible with
> > > CPVC. As it
> > > turns out about the only thing it is compatible with is itself!
> > >
> > > http://www.lubrizol.com/BuildingSolutions/ChemicalCompatibility.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Russell Rewis
> > > Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc.
> > > 107C Hemlock Street
> > > Valdosta, Georgia 31601
> > > 229-244-8130
> > > [email protected]
> > >
> >
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