"The Chosen One"- well, Top, gotta admit it has a nice ring to it. Maybe you'll get a Nobel Prize? While I agree with Forrest, there are reasons why Top is the more likely prospect- there may be input from the associations, but understand "initiatives" take time to implement and may be hampered by sponsorship by a risk-aversive association, as well as the liability and other concerns they'd be exposed to. Alas, we're not in a perfect world and Top is already recognized as a cpvc problem magnet.
Top or whomever is certainly affected by the clamps on info flow by litigation. And whenever proclamations are released -even when based on "data" or "historical facts"- a defending arty can introduce all tyes of counters, such as we've seen in the past, as we'd expect, and is likely to continue. Hence the difficulty of reality, and why Top or an Association can't just compile a bunch of info and statistics and release them. It just isn't that easy. However, seeds planted will likely germinate shortly. Be patient and check for dry fits! glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Incompatible products with CPVC I miss read it, but it sure did stir up some debate and questions from a contractors point of view. Obviously the contractors need an advocate and it looks like you may be the chosen one. ---- Top Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually I said there has been no not one case of cutting oil problem. > > Top Myers > RelMark Group > 961 Pottstown Pike > Chester Springs, PA 19425 > Office 610-321-2415 Cell 610-952-0965 > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig > Leadbetter > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 7:46 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Incompatible products with CPVC > > I find it interesting that you state that the manufacturers have only > found one loss due to cutting oil. > > We had a project where there were several piece of pipe that started to > leak. When the faulty pipe was taken out of the system there were > visible cracks, these cracks were not near the end of a pipe where > cutting had taken place. > > We sent samples to the factory and they reported that they believe the > fractures were caused by cutting oil weakening the product. > > I am sure am not the only contractor that has been given that report. Is > it possible that because they are the manufacturer that they get to > waive their magic wand and it is always something that the contractor > did and never an issue with their product? > > We continue to install CPVC piping and have become very aware of the > compatibility issues and the need to check the compatibility listings on > the manufacturer's web sites. The compatibility list is an ever evolving > document and frequent review of the site is recommended. > > > > Craig Leadbetter > Safeguard of Marquette > (P)906-475-9955 Ext 101 > (F) 906-475-5474 > (C) 906-362-5393 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Top Myers > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Incompatible products with CPVC > > Having read this string of emails it is like the story of the eight > blind me describing an elephant. We all know what we know and feel but > only have some of the picture and my biggest single complaint with CPVC > is all the manufacturers have enjoyed cashing the checks of contractors > who buy their product but have not been there to help with many of the > problems, have not educated the general contractors, design > professionals and AHJ's as to how to properly install CPVC and avoid > issues. As a result we are seeing more and more contractors and > property owners quietly using alternative products. This is unfortunate > as CPVC is a great product which deserves better more realistic honest > marketing. Some simple facts: > > - CPVC problems are not only one manufacturer > - I have discussed with all major manufacturers and they have not been > able to identify one job where problems came from cutting oil > - Some of biggest losses involve fire stop listed for use with CPVC by > UL but on Lubrizol incompatible list > - Extra stress by hangers UL listed has contributed to losses > - put light coating of solvent on fitting and more on pipe and you will > not have paddling inside pipe which can cause cracks > - Cat 5 wire can cause problems laying on CPVC. Solution is to keep > wire off pipe and make sure everyone knows this > > CPVC can be installed without problems and our industry needs it. We > need help and less marketing from the manufacturers and Lubrizol. > > Top Myers > RelMark Group > 961 Pottstown Pike > Chester Springs, PA 19425 > Office 610-321-2415 Cell 610-952-0965 > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd - > FPDC > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Incompatible products with CPVC > > The issue seems to be more when used with steel as opposed to on it's > own. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:36 PM, "Terri Leyton" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > When will someone challenge the listing of the product? Whose > > problem is it, if the product is properly approved and listed for > > use by "approving agencies"? > > > > Just asking the question out loud. No opinion or advice being given. > > T > > > > Terri Simmons Leyton > > PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING > > Ph: 858-751-2930 - ext. 101 > > Fax: 858-751-2933 > > Cell: 619-871-8450 > > > > Show class, have pride, and display character. 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