I would be concerned about freezing. 20 degrees for a couple of days may or may 
not cause a burst depending on the temp before and after, and also depending on 
the building insulation. 

The code says that if the pipe is subject to freezing (which this pipe is) it 
shall be heated. A freeze plug could prevent or delay activation in a fire, and 
a burst would cause water damage. I would not want to try to explain to a court 
why I did not think I needed to heat/freeze protect the system. 

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP 
Sales Engineer 
Alliance Fire Protection 
*Licensed in KS & MO 

913.888.0647 ph 
913.888.0618 f 
913.927.0222 cell 
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Shelton
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Gulf Coast

Where does it say 40dF?  My copy of 13 says that were piping is subject to 
freezing it shall be heated to 40dF.  


Eric J. Shelton, PE
Senior Fire Protection Engineer
Associate

Hankins and Anderson
Consulting Engineers
4880 Sadler Road Suite 300
Glen Allen, VA 23060
 
v: (804) 521.7105 f: (804) 217.8520
http://www.haengineers.com


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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Gulf Coast

Chris,

Believe me, I live here (in the panhandle of Florida), it gets cold here at
times.  I can remember plenty of times growing up that it got in the teens.

Besides, I believe 13 says "reliably maintained at or above 40° F " so it
doesn't really matter how long or how low it gets.  I would not think of
designing a system around here and not have freeze protection if it were not
in a conditioned space.

Cliff Whitfield, SET
President
Fire Design, Inc.
 
[email protected]
www.fire-design.com
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Gulf Coast

Note I'm a little north of the Gulf Coast if this question sounds a little
odd.  Would you be looking at a dry system in an unheated warehouse within
say 5 miles of the northern Gulf Coast?  Seriously I know it can get cool by
our standards down there but it ain't cold.   But for how long?  Even a day
or 2 in the mid 20's would that cause a freeze up problem in a 100,000
sq.ft. plus building?  Just wondering what the norm is for dealing with cool
weather.  I know I've been in the Tampa and Orlando area and seen plenty of
exterior wet risers not to mention the double checks off the UG.  My
question is a little more LA specific.         

 

Chris Cahill, P.E.

Fire Protection Engineer

Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.

 

763-658-4483

763-658-4921 fax

 

Email: [email protected]

 

Mail: P.O. Box 69

        Waverly, MN 55390

 

Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW

              Waverly, MN 55390

 

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