Methinks Eric has an older version because It used to be what he says
but now its what David says.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Autry, David <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Where does it say 40dF?"
>
> NFPA 13 (2002, Edition) 8.15.3.1.1
>
> David Autry
> Plans Examiner
> Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
> 246 S. 14th Street
> Lincoln, NE 68508
> 402-471-9659
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> ** Note new email address: [email protected]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Shelton
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Gulf Coast
>
> Where does it say 40dF?  My copy of 13 says that were piping is subject to 
> freezing it shall be heated to 40dF.
>
>
> Eric J. Shelton, PE
> Senior Fire Protection Engineer
> Associate
>
> Hankins and Anderson
> Consulting Engineers
> 4880 Sadler Road Suite 300
> Glen Allen, VA 23060
>
> v: (804) 521.7105 f: (804) 217.8520
> http://www.haengineers.com
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>
>  Do you really need to print this e-mail?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Gulf Coast
>
> Chris,
>
> Believe me, I live here (in the panhandle of Florida), it gets cold here at
> times.  I can remember plenty of times growing up that it got in the teens.
>
> Besides, I believe 13 says "reliably maintained at or above 40° F " so it
> doesn't really matter how long or how low it gets.  I would not think of
> designing a system around here and not have freeze protection if it were not
> in a conditioned space.
>
> Cliff Whitfield, SET
> President
> Fire Design, Inc.
>
> [email protected]
> www.fire-design.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Gulf Coast
>
> Note I'm a little north of the Gulf Coast if this question sounds a little
> odd.  Would you be looking at a dry system in an unheated warehouse within
> say 5 miles of the northern Gulf Coast?  Seriously I know it can get cool by
> our standards down there but it ain't cold.   But for how long?  Even a day
> or 2 in the mid 20's would that cause a freeze up problem in a 100,000
> sq.ft. plus building?  Just wondering what the norm is for dealing with cool
> weather.  I know I've been in the Tampa and Orlando area and seen plenty of
> exterior wet risers not to mention the double checks off the UG.  My
> question is a little more LA specific.
>
>
>
> Chris Cahill, P.E.
>
> Fire Protection Engineer
>
> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
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>
>
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Ron Greenman
Instructor
Fire Protection Engineering
Bates Technical College
Tacoma, WA

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