On a building of this construction type, there may be value to protecting the 
attic with sprinklers in lieu of draft-stopping as prescribed by code; we've 
done this on more than just a couple of projects.   And keeping in mind that it 
doesn't turn into a 13 design.  It's still 13R, but with the attic protected 
per 13 as an "area outside the dwelling units"

Steve L. 


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From: "David Blackwell" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:57:14 
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: concealed space

What George refers to is a very important aspect of the building code 
that may be overlooked.  The architect's design choices can force you to 
use a "higher" standard (NFPA 13 or NFPA 13R) system in the building 
that otherwise falls within the scope of a "lower" standard (NFPA 13R or 
NFPA 13D) system. 
The (2006) IBC Code and Commentary Figure 903.3.1.1 contains a useful 
table for understanding why an architect may specify a higher standard 
than a sprinkler contractor may think is necessary.  
  
David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE 
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From: [email protected] 
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<mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of George 
Church 
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:20 PM 
To: [email protected] 
Subject: RE: concealed space 
And you can't use 13R under the 2006 IBC if the design team used the 
sprinkler increase in order to build it, you can add a story but the SF 
increase must come from frontage or other, non-sprinkler factors. Doubt 
this 
applies to YOUR building as it could also be under the Int'l Existing 
Building Code. 
I'D BE AMAZED IF A SCHOOL CONVERTED TO APTS IS ABLE TO BE PROTECTED 
APPROPRIATELY BY NFPA 13D !!!!!!!!  We've done 2 schools and a church 
converted to apts in the past year, all 13R. There isn't a lot of 
difference 
in cost to do it correctly (13R) and if you need to, have em add some 8' 
deep lintels where the living room ends and a corridor to bedrooms 
start- 
you'll not have to flow the corridor heads in that calc with the 
living/dining/kitchen area. This can get you down to a 2 or 3 head calc, 
max 
4 in 13R. The little country church ended up as a 2-head flow, a 
challenging 
35 GPM at 30 PSI for a water supply- the developer had to change the 
well 
pump, big deal. 
While you may find something on the AFSA site comparing 13r and 13D, the 
text is available for free reading at www.nfpa.org codes and standards, 
list 
of codes and standards, click on 13r, applicable edition in your 
jurisdiction, and then down at the bottom of the page, click on PREVIEW 
THIS 
DOCUMENT and fill out the questionnaire if you aren't logged in already. 
David offers wise words WRT the IBC impact, although you likely don't 
have 
balconies in a school->apt conversion. 
To ALL my friends on the Forum, best wishes for a thoroughly enjoyable 
thanksgiving respite. 
George Church 
Rowe Sprinkler 
 
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