John, When you put it in terms of vertical communication of fires, it does make more sense, especially when talking about an apartment or other building of that type.
But if I'm understanding what you all have said, it seems that according to the IBC, if you turned a single family detached dwelling into a board and care facility, a laundry chute in that house would then require sprinkler protection. Is that correct? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:35 PM, John Drucker <[email protected]>wrote: > Ken, > > Yes the chute and the terminal rooms require sprinkler protection > regardless of whether the building is suppressed. Use R under the IBC is > always required to be suppressed so it's a mute point but more > importantly the Chapter 7 requirement is addressing a target hazard, > i.e. fires in chutes and rooms and or closets serving the chute and not > the building itself. IBC 707.13.6. being a subsection of Refuse and > Laundry Chutes prescribes automatic sprinkler protection. IBC 903.2.10.2 > merely tells you where to put the sprinklers, i.e. top, terminal rooms > and alternate floors when the chute extends three or more floors. The > section also prescribes service access for the sprinklers. > > The exceptions contained in 13R, or for that matter any other standard > are not applicable since the building code trumps the standard. > > Hope that helps, > > John Drucker Jr CET > Fire Protection Subcode Official > Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector > Borough of Red Bank, NJ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken > Holsopple (forum) > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: IBC and NFPA 13R - Linen/Trash Chutes > > Folks.....I need some opinions.... > > I have multiple buildings that fall into a Group R category and also > qualify for the use of NFPA 13R. These buildings all have either trash > or linen chutes. The IBC (2006) states the following.... > > 707.13.6 Automatic sprinkler system. > An approved automatic sprinkler system shall be installed in accordance > with Section 903.2.10.2. > > 903.2 Where required. > Approved automatic sprinkler systems in new buildings and structures > shall be provided in the locations described in this section. > > 903.2.7 Group R. > An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section 903.3 > shall be provided throughout all buildings with a Group R fire area. > > 903.2.10.2 Rubbish and linen chutes. > An automatic sprinkler system shall be installed at the top of rubbish > and linen chutes and in their terminal rooms. Chutes extending through > three or more floors shall have additional sprinkler heads installed > within such chutes at alternate floors. Chute sprinklers shall be > accessible for servicing. > > 903.3.1.2 NFPA 13R sprinkler systems. > WHERE ALLOWED in buildings of Group R, up to and including four stories > in height, automatic sprinkler systems shall be installed throughout in > accordance with NFPA 13R. > > NFPA 13R Section 6.8.5 > Sprinklers shall not be required in attic....elevator machine > rooms....elevator shafts......and other concealed spaces not intended > for living purposes or storage and do not contain fuel fired equipment. > > With the sections noted above I am thinking that the blanket statement > that IBC is trying to make is that sprinklers are required in any > linen/trash chute whether the building has a fire sprinkler system or it > doesn't. > However, I am of the opinion that if I meet the qualifications for a > building to use the NFPA 13R standard then 903.3.1.2 acts as an > exception to the previous rules in the "where required" section. Anybody > else see it this way? > > I am having a hard time accepting that I don't need sprinklers in an > elevator pit or elevator machine room (ya know flammable hydraulic > fluid?), but make sure you protect the discarded Sara Lee pie pans (that > can't be used as heat collectors anymore) or Aunt Ethel's stinky socks. > > Is everybody lost but me again????? > > Best Regards and Happy Holidays, > > Ken Holsopple > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected]<to%[email protected]> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: > This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and > confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, intended to be relied > upon by any person or persons other than the individual or entity named > above and no warranties or representations are made or intended to persons > or entities not named above. 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